rainer@hibachi.colorado.edu (Rainer Malzbender) (04/07/90)
Wie Geht's ? I am about to pick up the phone and order the universal programmer from JDR, priced at $500. It does PAL's, EPROM's, etc. and also tests some IC's. The price seems right, even though other machines might handle more chips. Please email at once and stop me if you have had bad experience with the unit. Oh yeah, can someone tell me how to get CUPL? Is it public domain ? JDR sells a $100 mini-version, but I'd like the real thing. My hand is reaching for the phone ..... -- Rainer M. Malzbender rainer@hibachi.colorado.edu (303)492-6829 Dept. of Physics malzbender@opus.vaxf.colorado.edu U. of Colorado, Boulder "You are in a maze of little twisty passages."
cook@stout.atd.ucar.edu (Forrest Cook) (04/07/90)
In article <19387@boulder.Colorado.EDU> rainer@hibachi.colorado.edu (Rainer Malzbender) writes: >Wie Geht's ? Ja, Und Tiny Fences! -- ^ ^ Forrest Cook - Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers - LB /|\ /|\ cook@stout.atd.ucar.edu WB0RIO (This posting is an OPINION) /|\ /|\ {husc6|rutgers|ames|gatech}!ncar!stout!cook
marks@mgse.UUCP (Mark Seiffert) (04/08/90)
In article <19387@boulder.Colorado.EDU>, rainer@hibachi.colorado.edu (Rainer Malzbender) writes: > I am about to pick up the phone and order the universal programmer > from JDR, priced at $500. It does PAL's, EPROM's, etc. and also tests > some IC's. The price seems right, even though other machines might > handle more chips. Please email at once and stop me if you have had > bad experience with the unit. It seems like a nice unit, I have it in a PC/AT and when I run Xenix, Xenix turns it on somehow. The first time I found out about this, it had been on all nite and was quite hot. > > Oh yeah, can someone tell me how to get CUPL? Is it public domain ? > JDR sells a $100 mini-version, but I'd like the real thing. It is a joke, i supports just those devices listed in the catalog, it does not support 22V10 or GALs. In the manual it lists quite a few chips (hundreds?), but the software does not support them with the library shipped with CUPL. I called the company, if you want the full library, it will only cost $1500. I have also had a hard time getting the simulation's to run correctly, I must be doing something wrong, but have not figured it out yet. Has anyone tried PALASM? I called AMD and they said they would send it, but it still has not arrived. Since it is free i can't complain, but i wonder how long they take to ship stuff. Does anyone know of a PAL software package that works under SCO Xenix 286. I would love to be able to design and simulate a PAL under Xenix before I have to boot DOS and run the pal burner since other people are usually on the machine. > > My hand is reaching for the phone ..... If you want to get the library let me know and i will get the phone number. > -- > Rainer M. Malzbender rainer@hibachi.colorado.edu (303)492-6829 > Dept. of Physics malzbender@opus.vaxf.colorado.edu > U. of Colorado, Boulder "You are in a maze of little twisty passages." -- Mark Seiffert, Metairie, LA. uucp: rex.cs.tulane.edu!mgse!marks or rex!mgse!marks bitnet: marks%mgse@REX.CS.TULANE.EDU internet: marks%mgse@rex.cs.tulane.edu
markz@ssc.UUCP (Mark Zenier) (04/09/90)
In article <1104@mgse.UUCP>, marks@mgse.UUCP (Mark Seiffert) writes: > > Has anyone tried PALASM? I called AMD and they said they would send it, > but it still has not arrived. Since it is free i can't complain, but i > wonder how long they take to ship stuff. If you want to get a PALASM, but don't want to deal with a sales rep, you can buy the Byte Magazine source code disk for January 1987. This has a Dos executable, source code in fortran (for an older version that the executable :-( ), and source code in BASIC for a simple version. markz@ssc.uucp
Dick@cup.portal.com (dick a wotiz) (04/09/90)
> > I am about to pick up the phone and order the universal programmer > > from JDR, priced at $500. It does PAL's, EPROM's, etc. and also tests > > some IC's. The price seems right, even though other machines might > > handle more chips. Please email at once and stop me if you have had > > bad experience with the unit. I've been using one in an XT for a couple of years now. It seems to be reasonably built, and so far it works with all of the common EPROMS and PALS that I've used with it. > > It seems like a nice unit, I have it in a PC/AT and when I run Xenix, > Xenix turns it on somehow. The first time I found out about this, it > had been on all nite and was quite hot. I also noticed mine getting warm after a while. It appears that on power-up, the hardware comes up in some uninitialized random state. I found that by running the IOCHK program that comes with the unit whenever I boot the machine, it initializes it properly, and it no longer gets warm. Dick Wotiz dick@portal.com {sun|uunet}!portal!dick
nichols@eola.UCF.EDU (04/11/90)
PALASM is pretty good for a public domain program. The latest version I know of is 2.23D; it's menu-driven (if you have enough memory), and is pretty easy to use without documentation. The PALASM documentation is also free. It comes in the form of two data books: the "AMD PAL Device Handbook" and the "AMD PAL Device Data Book." Call your local rep or distributor. AMD also has a free program called PLPL (Programming Language for Programmable Logic). It's a higher level language with more constructs than PALASM, but it doesn't support as many devices. If you're doing a lot of CAD, you may find OrCad's schematic drawing package worthwhile ($495). I did! They also sell a package called "OrCad PLD". I haven't tried it yet, but I would like to mainly because it's integrated with the rest of OrCad's tools. Another PLD design language available for free is called "PEEL" from ICT (International CMOS Technology). ICT makes a line of Electrically Erasable CMOS PALS that are fast and inexpensive, with generic "superset" architectures that emulate most popular PAL devices. Translation software for JEDEC files is included. On PAL Programmers: I bought the ZAP-A-PAL expansion card for PC's. It works well, but the manufacturer doesn't always answer his phone. (The mfgr is Robert Friedman, the guy who wrote one of the articles in BYTE's special issue on programmable logic (Jan 87?).) Hope this helps. Happy (fuse) blowing! markJ nichols@eola.ucf.edu