[sci.electronics] Antique clock...help needed

irwin@m.cs.uiuc.edu (04/12/90)

I am trying to restore an antique Seth Thomas electric mantle clock.
Estimates of manufacture date are in the 1920s.

It is a fine piece, beautiful finish and has a works about six inches
in diameter. The works includes chimes. I got it through the estate
of my grandmother.

When I examined the works, I found several brass bearings worn in the
front and back plates of the works. Also, I found that the shaft and
bearings in the motor were badly worn.

I first started on the works, took it apart and have managed to have
replacement bearings turned and have installed them in the plates.

Next, I took on the motor. In doing so, I had a mishap, which is why
I am posting this. The motor is made up of two (my best discription)
metal cups. These cups have slots cut in the sides, which form the
pole pieces of the field part of the motor. If you position your two
hands as if you were holding a grapefruit in each, then move your
hands together such that the fingers interleave, it is somewhat what
the motor frame looks like, except that the open side of the cups
face the same direction and between them is a pole piece about 3/8" in
diameter for a coil. An electrical coil is placed over this pole, the
two cup pieces are placed on the shaft (pole) and the shaft is peened.

The depth of the two cups are different, one shallow, one deep, such
that when assembled, the ends of the fingers formed by the slots end up
on an even plane. One end of the 3/8" pole that has the coil around
it has a brass bearing in it and a motor shaft with a single bar to
form the armature fits into the two assembled cups, and rotates within
the cup of fingers when assembled. The opposite end of the motor shaft
has a pinion gear on it and enough of the shaft protudes beyond the
pinion to fit into a bearing in the works back plate.

My problem was that one of the wires was broken off from the coil and
could not be reached to get hold of the end of the coil without taking
the assembly apart. I took a Dremel tool, with a thin disk grinder and
ground away the peen on one end of the 3/8" pole where it was peened
to the cup. There were about 5 peen marks, done with a machine. This
worked well, and cleared the pole to be pressed from the cup. As I
pressed it out, on one cup, next to the coil, there was a cicular
magnet made of powdered iron (put in in paste form and allowed to
harden after assembly) between the coil and cup. This was not visable
until I pressed it apart and removed the coil. The magnet was only
about 1/32" thick and as I pressed it apart, it cracked. Now, with
the coil repaired, the motor will not run.

I knew what I was seeing, that it was not just glue to take up space
so that the coil would be tight between the two assemblies, when I
saw it. I used an ohmmeter to verify that the substance was conductive
and was actually made of powdered iron.

Now, my need:

I need a source of powdered iron (fine) with which I can make a ring
of metal paste, to put back in place between the coil and cup as I
assemble it.

Where can one obtain such material? It would be simular to the material
from which powdered iron cores are made in electronic applications.

I have thought about a thin solid metal washer to take the place of the
cracked magnetic ring, but am not sure that it would be as good.

Al Irwin
Univ of Ill
Dept of Comp Sci
Urbana, IL
irwin@m.cs.uiuc.edu