[sci.electronics] LED brightness, colors

rspangle@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Randy Spangler) (06/28/90)

I recently was looking for bright LED's to stick on my rollerskates, and the
only really bright ones I could find were red.  This got me wondering what
the brightest standard-size one element LED's of various colors are.  There's
also gotta be some physical reason why red ones are easiest to make
brightest.

The red ones I got were from Radio Schmack, and put out 2000 mcd.

Also, what's the easiest way to blink a high-current LED at say 2-10 Hz?
I've heard there's some way to do it with a 555 timer, but electronics isn't
my strong point.  Blinking LED's (that have the driver built in) seem to be
a lot dimmer than non-blinking ones.


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maddog@athena.mit.edu (Matthew J Marjanovic) (06/29/90)

In article <7644@jarthur.Claremont.EDU>, rspangle@jarthur.Claremont.EDU
(Randy Spangler) writes:
|> 

|> Also, what's the easiest way to blink a high-current LED at say 2-10 Hz?
|> I've heard there's some way to do it with a 555 timer, but electronics isn't
|> my strong point.  Blinking LED's (that have the driver built in) seem to be
|> a lot dimmer than non-blinking ones.
|> 

	If you want blinking LED's pretty easy, try the LM3909 (if I 
 	  remember the number correctly) LED Flasher chip, designed for
	  just that purpose.  You can find the chip anywhere that sells
	  the standard stock of linear IC's (such as Jameco, Digi-key, etc.
	  Radio Shack may even carry it.).

	The data sheet for the chip lists a couple of pages of applications,
	  most of which will pulse a LED for years off of a single 1.5 volt
	  battery with one or two capacitors (values provided).  Most of 
	  the schemes have a higher current / lower duty cycle, which give
	  bright pulses.
	
	It couldn't be any easier (except for the blinking LED's themselves.)

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whos@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Ben Feen) (06/30/90)

In article <7644@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> rspangle@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Randy Spangler) writes:
>
>I recently was looking for bright LED's to stick on my rollerskates, and the
>only really bright ones I could find were red.  This got me wondering what
...
>Also, what's the easiest way to blink a high-current LED at say 2-10 Hz?
>I've heard there's some way to do it with a 555 timer, but electronics isn't
>my strong point.  Blinking LED's (that have the driver built in) seem to be
>a lot dimmer than non-blinking ones.
An RC circuit should do it:

+  Resistor       LED
-------------------
       \    |    |
       /   ---  \v/ 
       \   ---  --- 
-      /    |    |
-------------------
        Capacitor


To calculate frequency - 
Ohms*farads = 1 time constant (In seconds)
Multiply TC by 5 to find frequency. More I can't remember, but others should
be able to build on this.

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olbers@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Robert Olbers ece) (07/04/90)

In article <1990Jun29.215920.4003@ddsw1.MCS.COM> whos@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Ben Feen) writes:
>In article <7644@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> rspangle@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Randy Spangler) writes:
>>
>...
>>Also, what's the easiest way to blink a high-current LED at say 2-10 Hz?
>>I've heard there's some way to do it with a 555 timer, but electronics isn't
>>my strong point.  Blinking LED's (that have the driver built in) seem to be
>>a lot dimmer than non-blinking ones.
>An RC circuit should do it:
>
>+  Resistor       LED
>-------------------
>       \    |    |
>       /   ---  \v/ 
>       \   ---  --- 
>-      /    |    |
>-------------------
>        Capacitor
>
>
>To calculate frequency - 
>Ohms*farads = 1 time constant (In seconds)
>Multiply TC by 5 to find frequency. More I can't remember, but others should
>be able to build on this.
>

This circuit won't blink the LED from a dc source.  The LED needs a
current-limiting
resistor in series to prevent burnout, and the capacitor will simply
charge to the
supply voltage and stay there.

The simplest way to blink an LED (for those who are not
electronically inclined)
would probably be the LM3909 IC which is specially designed for this purpose.
These are even available at Radio Shack.

Here is an example of a 555 LED-flasher circuit:

     (+)    ---------------------------------------------------------
                     |     |           |                |           |
                     |    /           ---               |           |
                     |    \ R1        --- 0.1uF         |           |
                     |    /         NC |                |           |
                 NC  |    \      ----- | -------        |           /
             ------- | ----|     |     |       |        |           \
             |    --------------------------   |        |           / R3
             |    |  8     7     6     5   |   |        |           \
             /    |                        |   |        |           |
        R2   \    |          555           |   |        |           |
             /    |                        |   |        |          ---
             \    |  1     2     3     4   |   |        |          \ /
             |    --------------------------   |        |           v LED
             |       |     |     |     |       |NC      |          ---
             ------- | ----|     |     ------------------           |
                  NC |     |     |NC           |                    |
                     |     |---- | ------------                     |
                     |     |     |                                  |
                     |    ---    ------------------------------------
                     |    ---
                     |     | C
     (-)      --------------

(Excuse the 'professional quality' schematic 8) )
NC = no connection

The LED will be on* for time T1 = 0.693 * ( R1 + R2 ) * C
   and will be off* for time T2 = 0.693 * R1 * C

*(I may have the 'on' and 'off' reversed)

R3 is used to set the LED current; e.g., assuming 9V input, 20 mA desired
on-state LED current, and an LED voltage of 1.7 V (red LED),

             R3 = ( 9 - 1.7 ) / 0.02 = 365 ohms


For high levels of current, the 555 may need to drive the LED(s) through a
transistor -- check the 555 specs.

                                    R. L. Olbers
                                    Ohio University ECE Department

ardai@teda.UUCP (Mike Ardai) (07/05/90)

The 0.1 uF cap on pin 5 should go to ground (-), not Vcc (+).  According
to the spec sheets, it can source or sink 200 mA, so a transistor should
not be needed.
/mike


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pianin@bbn.com (Jerrold Pianin) (07/07/90)

In article <7644@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> rspangle@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Randy Spangler) writes:
>
>Also, what's the easiest way to blink a high-current LED at say 2-10 Hz?
>I've heard there's some way to do it with a 555 timer, but electronics isn't
>my strong point.  Blinking LED's (that have the driver built in) seem to be
>a lot dimmer than non-blinking ones.
>

Try putting a blinking LED in series with the high-current one.