gazit@bein.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) (09/17/88)
I was caught by a police radar which claimed that I was going 65 MPH. My speed was 55 MPH. I think that something was wrong with the radar, so I want to challenge the policeman in court. Can someone please post a list of things that can wrong with a radar? (I want to ask the policeman if he is absolutly sure that his radar was OK, and then ask him to explain to me why cannot all the things on the list happen). Can someone post, in addition, what went wrong with the radar of the ship that has shot down the Iranian airliner? (I want to ask the policeman how comes his radar cannot make any mistakes, when the radar of a very expensive warship has made them.) Thanks Hillel gazit@cs.duke.edu
john@anasaz.UUCP (John Moore) (09/18/88)
In article <12462@duke.cs.duke.edu> gazit@bein.UUCP (Hillel Gazit) writes:
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]I was caught by a police radar which claimed that I was going 65 MPH.
]My speed was 55 MPH. I think that something was wrong with the radar,
]so I want to challenge the policeman in court.
]
]Can someone please post a list of things that can wrong with a radar?
](I want to ask the policeman if he is absolutly sure that his radar
]was OK, and then ask him to
]explain to me why cannot all the things on the list happen).
Go to rec.auto - you should be able to get knowledgable help there.
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]Can someone post, in addition, what went wrong with the radar of the ship
]that has shot down the Iranian airliner?
](I want to ask the policeman how comes his radar cannot make any mistakes,
]when the radar of a very expensive warship has made them.)
Apparently the radar did not make mistakes. It was a collection of
human errors.
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someone else's.henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (09/19/88)
>Can someone post, in addition, what went wrong with the radar of the ship >that has shot down the Iranian airliner? >(I want to ask the policeman how comes his radar cannot make any mistakes, >when the radar of a very expensive warship has made them.) Unfortunately, the answer will probably not be of any real use to you. The Vincennes' radar was functioning properly and doing its job. The problem was in human interpretation of the results. -- NASA is into artificial | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology stupidity. - Jerry Pournelle | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu
gil@limbic.UUCP (Gil Kloepfer Jr.) (09/19/88)
In article <12462@duke.cs.duke.edu> gazit@bein.UUCP (Hillel Gazit) writes: |>I was caught by a police radar which claimed that I was going 65 MPH. |>My speed was 55 MPH. I think that something was wrong with the radar, |>so I want to challenge the policeman in court. |>Hillel gazit@cs.duke.edu You might want to clock your OWN speedometer before you begin your fight in court. Although you probably have a chance of winning, if your speedometer is inaccurate you might have another ticket before your court date! I wouldn't bother saying anything about this except that it happened to me. I was doing exactly 55, and got pulled over for doing 66. When I drove my car down a metered mile and clocked it, I found that my car's speed was 1.2 times the speed my speedometer was reading. Note that 55 * 1.2 is, indeed, 66. Followups on this are directed to rec.autos,rec.autos.tech. +------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Gil Kloepfer, Jr. | Net-Address: | | ICUS Software Systems | {boulder,talcott}!icus!limbic!gil | | P.O. Box 1 | Voice-net: (516) 968-6860 | | Islip Terrace, New York 11752 | Internet: gil@icus.islp.ny.us | +------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+
eli@spdcc.COM (Steve Elias) (09/19/88)
followups to rec.autos In article <12462@duke.cs.duke.edu> gazit@bein.UUCP (Hillel Gazit) writes: > >I was caught by a police radar which claimed that I was going 65 MPH. >My speed was 55 MPH. I think that something was wrong with the radar, >so I want to challenge the policeman in court. >Can someone please post a list of things that can wrong with a radar? there's a good book about fighting radar speeding tickets. (i don't recall the name -- go ask the folks in rec.autos!) the units can have calibration problems. usually the cop has to prove that he has calibrated the unit properly within the previous few days... or some 'suitable' time limit. if there were other cars around, he may have gotten a reading from a faster car... >Can someone post, in addition, what went wrong with the radar of the ship >that has shot down the Iranian airliner? from what i understand, the Vincennes radar made no mistakes and worked as expected under the short range conditions it was being used in. the radar operator and the captain made the mistake... a comprehensive discussion on this issue can be found in back issues of comp.risks. military radars and police radars are very different beasts. their missions are worlds apart... >(I want to ask the policeman how comes his radar cannot make any mistakes, >when the radar of a very expensive warship has made them.) be careful about asking cops such things! be real nice! good luck with your ticket. 65 in a 55 is one wimpy ticket. are the California fuzz usually so picky?
glenns@sco.COM (Glenn Schmall) (09/19/88)
In article <12462@duke.cs.duke.edu> gazit@bein.UUCP (Hillel Gazit) writes: > >I was caught by a police radar which claimed that I was going 65 MPH. >My speed was 55 MPH. I think that something was wrong with the radar, >so I want to challenge the policeman in court. > >Hillel gazit@cs.duke.edu I dont know how highwary patrol handle things out there in NY, but here on the west coast, If a patrol tags you with radar, you have the right to ask the officer to show you the gun showing the speed that he is going to right you up for. Now if the gun has been cleared, You can bring this up in court and they will toss the case out. Out here at least, you cannot be tagged by radar only (except in special circumstances designated by city/county ordances) {Im assuming that this all happened on the highway}. The highway patrol must clock you in addition to zapping you with radar to make it stick. As for evidence that the gun itself is screwy, I heard that there are reports done by some federal agency proving that the guns were not "a sure means of determining speed". {Hence the highway patrol must clock you in addition to using the gun} I would assume that you could get your hands on one of these reports down at you local federal repository. {It would be worth $$$$ to me to go down and investigate.} good luck and stick the suckers. -glenns@sco. ps. my information comes to me by means of an unfortunate friend of mine who went to traffic school. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ What do you mean it just stopped....?! | ucbvax!ucscc!sco!glenns. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
allanc@physiol.su.oz.au (Allan Creighton) (10/10/90)
An aussie who is travelling to LA in JANUARY 91 and HAWAI 91 would like to purchase a radar detector.The criteria should be 1.X and K band (are they the same frequency in both countries) 2.Photoradar detection(is it the same freq. as either X K or seperate)and 3.Discriminatory and sensitive(to extraneous freqs,like auto tellers etc) any help including prices ,brands and practical applications would be of immense value. Just a note that we will be in Santa Monica and surrounds for five days before flying to UK.So if there are any recommended suppliers please advise. Anyone in the UK is welcome to contribute. The big sellers in Aus, are Uniden and Cobra ,the top of the line models sell for $400-$600 .Therefore a comparison is required. email me direct as I don't always get to read news. apologies to anyone if this is posted in the wrong group or has been discussed before. Thanks in advance ALLANC