[sci.electronics] lightning protection question

XWUU@PURCCVM.BITNET (04/04/91)

I recently read in a reputable computer repair manual that one can gain
some measure of lightning protection for an electronic device (computer, TV,
etc.) if a simple overhand knot were tied loosely in the power cord.  The
author says he got the idea from electronic specialists and that he uses this
technique on all of his equipment since the last time lightning struck near his
 home.  It seems that his TV was the only electronic device damaged by the
lightning and it was the only devive without the knot in the cord.  Even
his sensitive computer and test equipment were not harmed.

The theory is that the lightning somehow has to "work against itself" due to
the overlapping coil of the knot.   Sounds like voo-doo to me.  What does any
one else think.  Any validity to this theory?

XWUU@PURCCVM

henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) (04/05/91)

In article <91093.214905XWUU@PURCCVM.BITNET> XWUU@PURCCVM.BITNET writes:
>The theory is that the lightning somehow has to "work against itself" due to
>the overlapping coil of the knot.   Sounds like voo-doo to me.  What does any
>one else think.  Any validity to this theory?

Quite possibly.  "Working against itself" is techno-illiteratespeak :-) for
"inductance".  Lightning is a *tremendously* sharp-edged pulse, with oodles
of high-frequency content, and the slightest bit of inductance is a major
barrier to it.  (Not that you can *stop* it -- it's just punched through
hundreds or thousands of meters of a very good insulator to get to you! --
but you can encourage it to go somewhere else instead.)  It's plausible
that adding some inductance to the power cord might help.
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dmturne@PacBell.COM (Dave Turner) (04/06/91)

In article <91093.214905XWUU@PURCCVM.BITNET> XWUU@PURCCVM.BITNET writes:
>I recently read in a reputable computer repair manual that one can gain
>some measure of lightning protection for an electronic device (computer, TV,
>etc.) if a simple overhand knot were tied loosely in the power cord.  The
>author says he got the idea from electronic specialists and that he uses this
>technique on all of his equipment since the last time lightning struck near his
> home.  It seems that his TV was the only electronic device damaged by the
>lightning and it was the only devive without the knot in the cord.  Even
>his sensitive computer and test equipment were not harmed.
>
>The theory is that the lightning somehow has to "work against itself" due to
>the overlapping coil of the knot.   Sounds like voo-doo to me.  What does any
>one else think.  Any validity to this theory?
>

It is well known that parallel wires carrying equal and opposite currents
produce magnetic fields which cancel.

This fact is used to explain this form of lightning protection.

The knotted wire produces tightly-coupled magnetic fields which induce
a reverse EMF into a part of the wire which effectively is in the reverse
direction. The current in the wire (especially in the knot) cancels and
protects the circuit.

This is only guaranteed to work on April 1.


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nagle@well.sf.ca.us (John Nagle) (04/08/91)

dmturne@PacBell.COM (Dave Turner) writes:

>In article <91093.214905XWUU@PURCCVM.BITNET> XWUU@PURCCVM.BITNET writes:
>>I recently read in a reputable computer repair manual that one can gain
>>some measure of lightning protection for an electronic device (computer, TV,
>>etc.) if a simple overhand knot were tied loosely in the power cord.  

      It's not a totally stupid idea.  Lightning arrestors for antennas
usually have a few turns of a coil made out of very heavy wire (busbar
in some units) to provide some inductance to block lightning pulses.
But lightning arrestors also have a spark gap (in air, or in a gas tube)
to provide a high-current path to ground.  With the knot approach,
you're presumably relying on arc-over at the wall outlet to perform
that function.  This might work, if you're lucky.  Very lucky.

					John Nagle

lsls00@iliad.kodak.com (Ilia Levi) (04/08/91)

The reason the loop in the wire should help against a lighting is that
the lightning is very high frequency, and even a small inductance in the one loop
coil provides a large inductive resistance.

stevem@specialix.co.uk (Steven Murray) (04/09/91)

nagle@well.sf.ca.us (John Nagle) writes:
>dmturne@PacBell.COM (Dave Turner) writes:
>>In article <91093.214905XWUU@PURCCVM.BITNET> XWUU@PURCCVM.BITNET writes:
>>>I recently read in a reputable computer repair manual that one can gain
>>>some measure of lightning protection for an electronic device (computer, TV,
>>>etc.) if a simple overhand knot were tied loosely in the power cord.  
 [Deletions]
>This might work, if you're lucky.  Very lucky.

Come on guys!  Its not going to help!  When lightning hits the energy goes
down anything that conducts - and leaps some gaps that don't (obviously).
Unplug your gear, or if you can't get some VDR's / Gas Discharge Tubes
(Yes I know you're not supposed to use them on mains) / AC-DC-AC power
converters in the likely paths.  There are some people out there who are
going to blame you (otherwise) when this idea doesn't work.

Regards
Steven Murray
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pierson@ggone.enet.dec.com (Dave Pierson) (04/10/91)

In article <1839@eastman.UUCP>, lsls00@iliad.kodak.com (Ilia Levi) writes...
>The reason the loop in the wire should help against a lighting is that
>the lightning is very high frequency, and even a small inductance in the one
>loop coil provides a large inductive resistance.
	Which matches what i have seen, reasonably authoritatively.  Ferrites
would be better, but the knot should help.  The issue is not one of protecting
against a direct stroke, (THATs a very much harder problem) but of reducing
damage from surges induced by that stroke, or surges induced by those surges. 
Even a little inductance will block/slow the surge.  The stroke is limited
time event.  If its resulting surge(s) and their oscillations can be damped,
damage can be limited, mayhap even avoided.

(fwiw, i have seen a sketch for a field expedient coaxial antenna: assume ca 2M
operation:  strip braid from 18" of coax.  Tie knot 18" below the point where
the braid was cut off.  Connect to transmitter.  trim free end of center
conductor, OR move knot to tune.  I have (k)not tried this...)
thanks
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