denns@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (darren enns) (04/20/91)
Hello all! Most of the still video cameras on the market use the Sony standard 2 inch floppy diskette with 50 picture capacity, like the Canon Xapshot camera. Since it is silly to fee the analog video signal from that camera into a computer video digitizer (turning it back into digital format), I wondered if Canon or anyone had found a way to get the raw digital data of such a diskette directly into a computer for manipulation? Has anyone experimented with such a concept? Darren Enns --- (darren enns) a user of sys6626, running waffle 1.64 E-mail: denns%sys6626.bison.mb.ca@niven.cc.umanitoba.ca system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8
lairdkb@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) (04/21/91)
(This was originally e-mail, but the mailer returned it.) I have asked Sony (Mavica) that question several times. I always get some answer that includes the disk->composite video->digitizer->computer route. Is the video stored digitally on the disk? I remember seeing a TV report on the Mavica professional line that demonstrated their modem. The report stated that pictures could be sent xxxxx miles with _little_ degradation. If it's digital, there should be _no_ degradation. I'm am waiting for a disk drive I can put in a computer to read these disks. If I must manually advance the picture, then digitize, this system is next to useless. If I can pop a disk in and hit "download/copy", I'm all set. My application: Purdue Musical Organizations (PMO) has mass auditions every year. About 280 students show up. Each student fills out a card and has his/her picture taken. Currently they use a Polaroid camera - expensive film. I'd like to put everything on computer so that we have a permanent record of everyone who tried out. (Sometimes more people are needed ito replace people who co-op/graduate mid-year.) This would also save lots of money and material eaten up by the Polaroid. If you find anything close to what I'm describing, please tell me. If will appreciate it greatly. I will keep you posted on any developments from this end. --kyler
tell@oscar.cs.unc.edu (Stephen Tell) (04/21/91)
In article <k4Ho11w164w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca> denns@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (darren enns) writes: >Hello all! Most of the still video cameras on the market use the Sony >standard 2 inch floppy diskette with 50 picture capacity, like the Canon >Xapshot camera. Since it is silly to fee the analog video signal from >that camera into a computer video digitizer (turning it back into digital >format), I wondered if Canon or anyone had found a way to get the raw >digital data of such a diskette directly into a computer for >manipulation? Has anyone experimented with such a concept? Its my understanding that the information recorded on the 2" diskette is analog, not digital. So, running the video output into a conventional video digitizer is not so silly after all. Since its a still frame, its ideal for a slow-scan digitizer, like DigiView. >(darren enns) >E-mail: denns%sys6626.bison.mb.ca@niven.cc.umanitoba.ca Steve -- Steve Tell tell@cs.unc.edu H: +1 919 968 1792 #5L Estes Park apts CS Grad Student, UNC Chapel Hill. W: +1 919 962 1845 Carrboro NC 27510 Duke Blue Devils: 1991 NCAA Basketball National Champions! We're Number 1 !! UNLV 90-91 record: "34 and DUKE."
moonhawk@bluemoon.uucp (David Culberson) (04/22/91)
> that camera into a computer video digitizer (turning it back into digital > format), I wondered if Canon or anyone had found a way to get the raw > digital data of such a diskette directly into a computer for > manipulation? Has anyone experimented with such a concept? I was wondering a similar thing. The same idea applies to CD's and to videodisks. I want to just directly copy the digital data off of such disks for use on my Amiga. I have an SCSI card, but no cD-ROM drive. Would it be possible to use a CD-ROM drive to do such things? If so, how would I need to alter it? Or would it be software? As for the Cannon, I think the only way would be if it was specifically designed for that, or if you opened it up and took the data lines out, built your own interface, and used that. OR the hardest way, find a replacement disk drive for one of those (Check at your cannon dealer), make sure to get the right contorl circutry... You get the idea. That would be quite a project. I think it might be possible with one of the first two ways, so just ignore the last. How good are you with electronics? I'm not good enough to attempt such a project, especially with a $500 or up camera! Hope you find a way to do it! MoonHawk This is from moonhawk@bluemoon.uucp moonhawk%bluemoon@nstar.rn.com who doesn't have their own obnoxious signature yet
graeme@research.canon.oz.au (Graeme Wong See) (04/22/91)
In article <10919@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> lairdkb@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) writes: >(This was originally e-mail, but the mailer returned it.) > >I have asked Sony (Mavica) that question several times. I always get some >answer that includes the disk->composite video->digitizer->computer route. > >Is the video stored digitally on the disk? I remember seeing a TV report >on the Mavica professional line that demonstrated their modem. The report >stated that pictures could be sent xxxxx miles with _little_ degradation. >If it's digital, there should be _no_ degradation. > >I'm am waiting for a disk drive I can put in a computer to read these disks. >If I must manually advance the picture, then digitize, this system is next >to useless. If I can pop a disk in and hit "download/copy", I'm all set. > >My application: Purdue Musical Organizations (PMO) has mass auditions every >year. About 280 students show up. Each student fills out a card and has >his/her picture taken. Currently they use a Polaroid camera - expensive film. >I'd like to put everything on computer so that we have a permanent record >of everyone who tried out. (Sometimes more people are needed ito replace >people who co-op/graduate mid-year.) This would also save lots of money and >material eaten up by the Polaroid. > >If you find anything close to what I'm describing, please tell me. If will >appreciate it greatly. I will keep you posted on any developments from this >end. > >--kyler The Canon Still Video stores the video data in analog format, not digital format. You need to buy another box from Canon to get the image into digital format and downloaded into a computer so you can manipulate it. Graeme -- Graeme Wong See, Hardware Engineer | Net: graeme@research.canon.oz.au Canon Information Systems Research Australia | Phone: +1 61 2 805 2912 P.O. Box 313 North Ryde, NSW, Australia 2113 | Fax: +1 61 2 805 2929
greg@pluto.dss.com (Greg McAdoo) (04/23/91)
In article <k4Ho11w164w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca>, denns@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (darren enns) writes: > format), I wondered if Canon or anyone had found a way to get the raw > digital data of such a diskette directly into a computer for > manipulation? Has anyone experimented with such a concept? > > Darren Enns > > --- (darren enns) a user of sys6626, running waffle 1.64 > E-mail: denns%sys6626.bison.mb.ca@niven.cc.umanitoba.ca > system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8 I'm evaluating the possibility of building a device that reads these disks and digitizes the information into some format (probably async serial) easily read by a variety of computers. If anyone has any information about the format of these images or can point me in the direction of a source for the industry standard for these products, it would be of great help. Additionally, if anyone's heard of a commercially availible device that does the same thing I'd be curious to hear about it. Thanks in advance, Greg
jon_sree@world.std.com (Jon Sreekanth) (04/25/91)
In article <4263@pluto.dss.com> greg@pluto.dss.com (Greg McAdoo) writes:
I'm evaluating the possibility of building a device that reads these
disks and digitizes the information into some format (probably async
serial) easily read by a variety of computers. If anyone has any
information about the format of these images or can point me in the
direction of a source for the industry standard for these products,
it would be of great help. Additionally, if anyone's heard of a
commercially availible device that does the same thing I'd be
curious to hear about it.
From memory, Sony, Canon and others make "players" for their analog
floppies, to view images on a TV screen, to print, or to transmit over a
telephone line to a similar unit at the other end. I'd be surprised
if they did not provide some digital data output.
Apart from contacting the manufacturers for info, I've seen one book
on the subject : Understanding Electronic Photography, John Larish,
TAB Books, 1990, $24.95. TAB Books, Blue Ridge Summit, PA 17294
No phone number given.
Regards,
/ Jon Sreekanth
Assabet Valley Microsystems Fax and PC products
346 Lincoln St #722, Marlboro, MA 01752 508-562-0722
jon_sree@world.std.com
phil@b11.ingr.com (Phil Johnson) (04/25/91)
In article <1991Apr22.045816.19385@research.canon.oz.au> graeme@research.canon.oz.au (Graeme Wong See) writes: >In article <10919@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> lairdkb@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) writes: >> >>My application: Purdue Musical Organizations (PMO) has mass auditions every >>year. About 280 students show up. Each student fills out a card and has >>his/her picture taken. Currently they use a Polaroid camera - expensive film. >>I'd like to put everything on computer so that we have a permanent record >>of everyone who tried out. (Sometimes more people are needed ito replace >>people who co-op/graduate mid-year.) This would also save lots of money and >>material eaten up by the Polaroid. >> >>If you find anything close to what I'm describing, please tell me. If will >>appreciate it greatly. I will keep you posted on any developments from this >>end. >> >>--kyler The Cannon Snapshot connects to the Amiga through the Digiview product, where the camera image can be stored in digital format for use as a standard graphic image. The picture can then be used in a variety of products. A local Amiga dealer sells the Cannon/Digiview (sans Amiga) for $899. //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Philip Johnson net: phil@ingr.com | | Intergraph Corporation fax: 205-730-6445 | | One Madison Industrial Park fon: 205-730-8112 | | Huntsville, AL 35824 USA fot: LR23B4 | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\////////////////////////////////////////