kinsman@ssd.kodak.com (Andy Kinsman (253-XXXX)) (05/13/91)
. note that codes 1 & 2 are both listed! and I
only have 4 pages ripped from friends
TV guides.
. Shows in same locations on the "quick
view" grid almost always have the same
number of digits, day after day. clue?
. Shows during prime time have low numbers...
or is it that (7pm EST is 0 GMT clue?)
Global thinking or concern for customers?
. channels listed below are from New York Times
newspaper. These vary across country.
. 1-800-4321-VCR salesman says the device
fits in your hand. It requires a code
to identify your VCR, and a code to
identify your cable decoder box. Provisions
exist to translate the vcr_plus+ selected
channel to a new one via a costomer loaded
translation table. Devices retail for about
$60 at big chain stores... Sears, Silo,
Monkey Ward etc.
. tables below list local (EST, then recently
EDT), so correct the time before digging
in to Zulu first. I can't remember when
the clocks changed.
. I stared at the tv guide for a half hour the
other day and happened to spot 6 or more that
ended in 807. After typing in a whole page,
each number backwards and padding to the
right with enough zeros to make 8 digits, I
noticed a pattern. Lots of the numbers on any
given page fall into a small set of 3 digit
endings!
. When are numbers re-used? I still have insufficient
data to prove when they get reused... monthly, yearly?
1/2hrs local VCR plus+
date day chan len time code backward
91 04 01 m 2 1 1830 30 03000000
91 04 01 m 2 1 1900 2197 79120000
91 04 01 m 2 1 1930 2 20000000
91 04 01 m 2 1 2000 8517 71580000
91 04 01 m 2 1 2030 4492 29440000
91 04 01 m 2 4 2100 3159 95130000
91 04 01 m 2 1 2300 2427807 70872420
91 04 01 m 2 1 2330 8156888 88865180
91 04 01 m 4 2 1800 96284 48269000
91 04 01 m 4 1 1900 7265 56270000
91 04 01 m 4 1 1930 10 01000000
91 04 01 m 4 2 2000 8468 86480000
91 04 01 m 4 4 2100 1555 55510000
91 04 01 m 4 1 2300 3807 70830000
91 04 01 m 4 2 2330 20062 26002000
91 04 01 m 5 1 1830 7994 49970000
91 04 01 m 5 1 1900 2739 93720000
91 04 01 m 5 1 1930 3178 87130000
91 04 01 m 5 4 2000 55975 57955000
91 04 01 m 5 2 2200 67710 01776000
91 04 01 m 5 1 2300 25246 64252000
91 04 01 m 5 1 2330 39826 62893000
91 04 01 m 7 1 1830 2062 26020000
91 04 01 m 7 1 1900 7807 70870000
91 04 01 m 7 1 1930 8246 64280000
91 04 01 m 7 1 2000 6555 55560000
91 04 01 m 7 1 2030 5062 26050000
91 04 01 m 7 1 2100 48197 79184000
91 04 01 m 7 1 2130 22623 32622000
91 04 01 m 7 1 2200 90536 63509000
91 04 01 m 7 1 2230 13064 46031000
91 04 01 m 7 1 2300 43642 24634000
91 04 01 m 7 1 2330 24994 49942000
91 04 01 m 9 1 1830 6826 62860000
91 04 01 m 9 1 1900 3523 32530000
91 04 01 m 9 1 1930 5710 01750000
91 04 01 m 9 2 2000 15371 17351000
91 04 01 m 9 2 2100 81997 79918000
91 04 01 m 9 2 2200 31474 47413000
91 04 01 m 9 1 2300 70710 01707000
91 04 01 m 9 2 2330 77517 71577000
91 04 01 m 11 1 1900 5081 18050000
91 04 01 m 11 1 1930 7178 87170000
91 04 01 m 11 4 2000 11555 55511000
91 04 01 m 11 2 2200 90062 26009000
91 04 01 m 11 1 2300 72178 87127000
91 04 01 m 11 2 2330 73284 48237000
91 05 01 w 2 1 1830 59 95000000
91 05 01 w 2 1 1900 3826 62830000
91 05 01 w 2 1 1930 1 10000000
91 05 01 w 2 1 2000 9246 64290000
91 05 01 w 2 1 2030 1081 18010000
91 05 01 w 2 2 2100 4265 56240000
91 05 01 w 2 2 2200 7352 25370000
91 05 01 w 2 1 2300 6954333 33345960
91 05 01 w 2 2 2330 8034352 25343080
91 05 01 w 4 2 1800 97913 31979000
91 05 01 w 4 1 1900 8994 49980000
91 05 01 w 4 1 1930 9 90000000
91 05 01 w 4 2 2000 9197 79190000
91 05 01 w 4 1 2100 2791 19720000
91 05 01 w 4 1 2130 69130 03196000
91 05 01 w 4 2 2200 2420 02420000
91 05 01 w 4 1 2300 4536 63540000
91 05 01 w 4 2 2330 21791 19712000
91 05 01 w 5 1 1830 8623 32680000
91 05 01 w 5 1 1900 3468 86430000
91 05 01 w 5 1 1930 4807 70840000
91 05 01 w 5 4 2000 56604 40665000
91 05 01 w 5 2 2200 75739 93757000
91 05 01 w 5 1 2300 26975 57962000
91 05 01 w 5 1 2330 30555 55503000
91 05 01 w 7 1 1830 3791 19730000
91 05 01 w 7 1 1900 8536 63580000
91 05 01 w 7 1 1930 9975 57990000
91 05 01 w 7 1 2000 7284 48270000
91 05 01 w 7 1 2030 6791 19760000
91 05 01 w 7 1 2100 49826 62894000
91 05 01 w 7 1 2130 23352 25332000
91 05 01 w 7 2 2200 60807 70806000
91 05 01 w 7 1 2300 44371 17344000
91 05 01 w 7 1 2330 25623 32652000
91 05 02 r 2 1 1830 55 55000000
91 05 02 r 2 1 1900 2032 23020000
91 05 02 r 2 1 1930 89 98000000
91 05 02 r 2 2 2000 9753 35790000
91 05 02 r 2 2 2100 7579 97570000
91 05 02 r 2 2 2200 4686 68640000
91 05 02 r 2 1 2300 6921005 50012960
91 05 02 r 2 2 2330 8001024 42010080
91 05 02 r 4 2 1800 51937
91 05 02 r 4 1 1900 5260
91 05 02 r 4 1 1930 85
91 05 02 r 4 1 2000 1208
91 05 02 r 4 1 2030 3043
91 05 02 r 4 1 2100 2395
91 05 02 r 4 1 2130 56482
91 05 02 r 4 2 2200 5734
91 05 02 r 4 1 2300 7840
91 05 02 r 4 2 2330 96463
91 05 02 r 5 1 1830 2685
91 05 02 r 5 1 1900 4014
91 05 02 r 5 1 1930 8869
91 05 02 r 5 1 2000 9482
91 05 02 r 5 1 2030 5289
91 05 02 r 5 2 2100 38024
91 05 02 r 5 2 2200 31111
91 05 02 r 5 1 2300 61127
91 05 02 r 5 1 2330 90937
91 05 02 r 7 1 1830 7753
91 05 02 r 7 1 1900 5802
91 05 02 r 7 1 1930 3937
91 05 02 r 7 2 2000 43956
91 05 02 r 7 2 2100 23192
91 05 02 r 7 2 2200 33579
91 05 02 r 7 1 2300 91005
91 05 02 r 7 1 2330 85005
91 05 07 t 2 1 1830 197
91 05 07 t 2 1 1900 3804
91 05 07 t 2 1 1930 991
91 05 07 t 2 2 2000 3945
91 05 07 t 2 4 2100 2084
91 05 07 t 2 1 2300 6723465
91 05 07 t 2 2 2330 8803484
91 05 07 t 4 2 1800 44649
91 05 07 t 4 1 1900 1200
91 05 07 t 4 1 1930 587
91 05 07 t 4 4 2000 9129
91 05 07 t 4 2 2200 5736
91 05 07 t 4 1 2300 8692
91 05 07 t 4 2 2330 72787
91 05 07 t 5 1 1830 6649
91 05 07 t 5 1 1900 2656
91 05 07 t 5 1 1930 5533
91 05 07 t 5 4 2000 36668
91 05 07 t 5 2 2200 11303
91 05 07 t 5 1 2300 86129
91 05 07 t 5 1 2330 92397
91 05 07 t 7 1 1830 7945
91 05 07 t 7 1 1900 5804
91 05 07 t 7 1 1930 3129
91 05 07 t 7 1 2000 4552
91 05 07 t 7 1 2030 6587
91 05 07 t 7 1 2100 96552
91 05 07 t 7 1 2130 76216
91 05 07 t 7 2 2200 33571
91 05 07 t 7 1 2300 69787
91 05 07 t 7 1 2330 87465
91 05 07 t 9 1 1830 9571
91 05 07 t 9 1 1900 1620
91 05 07 t 9 6 1930 873200
91 05 07 t 9 1 2230 73200
91 05 07 t 9 1 2300 44113
91 05 07 t 9 2 2330 58200
91 05 07 t 11 1 1900 9216
91 05 07 t 11 1 1930 9133
91 05 07 t 11 4 2000 78668
91 05 07 t 11 2 2200 53303
91 05 07 t 11 1 2300 39281
91 05 07 t 11 1 2330 16991
91 05 07 t 13 1 1830 2007
91 05 07 t 13 2 1900 92262
91 05 07 t 13 2 2000 37610
91 05 07 t 13 4 2100 11397
91 05 07 t 13 1 2300 82397
91 05 07 t 13 1 2330 30194
91 05 08 w 2 1 1830 953
91 05 08 w 2 1 1900 3408
91 05 08 w 2 1 1930 137
91 05 08 w 2 1 2000 2156
91 05 08 w 2 1 2030 1663
91 05 08 w 2 2 2100 3595
91 05 08 w 2 2 2200 6682
91 05 08 w 2 1 2300 6790137
91 05 08 w 2 2 2330 8870156
91 05 08 w 4 2 1800 85791
91 05 08 w 4 1 1900 8576
91 05 08 w 4 1 1930 205
91 05 08 w 4 2 2000 8427
91 05 08 w 4 1 2100 8311
91 05 08 w 4 1 2130 12866
91 05 08 w 4 2 2200 1750
91 05 08 w 4 1 2300 6476
91 05 08 w 4 2 2330 67137
91 05 08 w 5 1 1830 2663
91 05 08 w 5 1 1900 3040
91 05 08 w 5 1 1930 1175
91 05 08 w 5 4 2000 92040
91 05 08 w 5 2 2200 11175
91 05 08 w 5 1 2300 62311
91 05 08 w 5 1 2330 56311
91 05 08 w 7 1 1830 7359
91 05 08 w 7 1 1900 5408
91 05 08 w 7 1 1930 6243
91 05 08 w 7 1 2000 4156
91 05 08 w 7 1 2030 3663
91 05 08 w 7 1 2100 52934
91 05 08 w 7 1 2130 43750
91 05 08 w 7 2 2200 49953
91 05 08 w 7 1 2300 64779
91 05 08 w 7 1 2330 58779cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka) (05/14/91)
kinsman@ssd.kodak.com writes: > . 1-800-4321-VCR salesman says the device > fits in your hand. It requires a code > to identify your VCR, and a code to > identify your cable decoder box. Provisions > exist to translate the vcr_plus+ selected > channel to a new one via a costomer loaded > translation table. Devices retail for about > $60 at big chain stores... Sears, Silo, > Monkey Ward etc. > > . When are numbers re-used? I still have insufficient > data to prove when they get reused... monthly, yearly? The way I had this explained to me was that the VCR+ knows your cable box and VCR so that it can produce the proper IR codes to operate them. This is pretty obvious. The way the codes work is that a local FM radio station transmits the code number and an "on" code at the start of a program, and the same code number with an "off" code at the end. The VCR+ contains an RF scanner which demodulates these codes. The codes themselves have nothing whatever to do with the info for the program. I would guess that the patterns you see are an artifact of the code number assignment process, rather than a "key" to crack a "code" that probably doesn't exist. The numbers will be reused when they get back around to them. The broadcasts are made by way of an "SCA" (Subcarrier Channel Authorization) which transmits on an extra sideband of the FM radio program. Digital infor- mation can be transmitted without disrupting the normal program material. My parents live in a small town in Arkansas. They checked on these boxes and were told that even though they can get the Little Rock TV stations on their cable system (They don't have paved roads or running water, but they have cable!) they cannot use the VCR+ outside of Little Rock because it can't receive the FM radio station which carries the SCA. DISCLAIMER: All the information I have related here is thirdhand. That means you are getting it fourth hand. Treat it accordingly. I do not use the VCR+ and so I have no experience with it myself. -- ----------------------------------------------------- Gordon S. Hlavenka cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us Disclaimer: Yeah, I said it. So what?
mycal@everexn.com (Mycal Johnson) (05/18/91)
In article <1991May14.070536.1571@vpnet.chi.il.us> cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka) writes: >kinsman@ssd.kodak.com writes: >> . 1-800-4321-VCR salesman says the device rest deleted > >The way I had this explained to me was that the VCR+ knows your cable box and >VCR so that it can produce the proper IR codes to operate them. This is pretty >obvious. The way the codes work is that a local FM radio station transmits >the code number and an "on" code at the start of a program, and the same code >number with an "off" code at the end. The VCR+ contains an RF scanner which >demodulates these codes. The codes themselves have nothing whatever to do with >the info for the program. What does the VCR+ scan? RF? transmitted from what? the tv the vcr? Yea, right. > >I would guess that the patterns you see are an artifact of the code number >assignment process, rather than a "key" to crack a "code" that probably >doesn't exist. The numbers will be reused when they get back around to them. > >The broadcasts are made by way of an "SCA" (Subcarrier Channel Authorization) >which transmits on an extra sideband of the FM radio program. Digital infor- >mation can be transmitted without disrupting the normal program material. > So what you are telling me is my VCR+ remote that works with my standard vcr is getting an "SCA" signal from my TV or VCR which have no "SCA" circutry and it is mistiriously being transmitted to my remote. I say it once more, yea right. >My parents live in a small town in Arkansas. They checked on these boxes and >were told that even though they can get the Little Rock TV stations on their >cable system (They don't have paved roads or running water, but they have >cable!) they cannot use the VCR+ outside of Little Rock because it can't >receive the FM radio station which carries the SCA. > >DISCLAIMER: All the information I have related here is thirdhand. That means >you are getting it fourth hand. Treat it accordingly. I do not use the VCR+ >and so I have no experience with it myself. Oh so thats it, sorry for the sarcastic remarks above. > > >-- >----------------------------------------------------- >Gordon S. Hlavenka cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us >Disclaimer: Yeah, I said it. So what? Mycal Disclaimer: I try to think before I post.