kinsman@ssd.kodak.com (Andy Kinsman (253-XXXX)) (05/13/91)
. note that codes 1 & 2 are both listed! and I only have 4 pages ripped from friends TV guides. . Shows in same locations on the "quick view" grid almost always have the same number of digits, day after day. clue? . Shows during prime time have low numbers... or is it that (7pm EST is 0 GMT clue?) Global thinking or concern for customers? . channels listed below are from New York Times newspaper. These vary across country. . 1-800-4321-VCR salesman says the device fits in your hand. It requires a code to identify your VCR, and a code to identify your cable decoder box. Provisions exist to translate the vcr_plus+ selected channel to a new one via a costomer loaded translation table. Devices retail for about $60 at big chain stores... Sears, Silo, Monkey Ward etc. . tables below list local (EST, then recently EDT), so correct the time before digging in to Zulu first. I can't remember when the clocks changed. . I stared at the tv guide for a half hour the other day and happened to spot 6 or more that ended in 807. After typing in a whole page, each number backwards and padding to the right with enough zeros to make 8 digits, I noticed a pattern. Lots of the numbers on any given page fall into a small set of 3 digit endings! . When are numbers re-used? I still have insufficient data to prove when they get reused... monthly, yearly? 1/2hrs local VCR plus+ date day chan len time code backward 91 04 01 m 2 1 1830 30 03000000 91 04 01 m 2 1 1900 2197 79120000 91 04 01 m 2 1 1930 2 20000000 91 04 01 m 2 1 2000 8517 71580000 91 04 01 m 2 1 2030 4492 29440000 91 04 01 m 2 4 2100 3159 95130000 91 04 01 m 2 1 2300 2427807 70872420 91 04 01 m 2 1 2330 8156888 88865180 91 04 01 m 4 2 1800 96284 48269000 91 04 01 m 4 1 1900 7265 56270000 91 04 01 m 4 1 1930 10 01000000 91 04 01 m 4 2 2000 8468 86480000 91 04 01 m 4 4 2100 1555 55510000 91 04 01 m 4 1 2300 3807 70830000 91 04 01 m 4 2 2330 20062 26002000 91 04 01 m 5 1 1830 7994 49970000 91 04 01 m 5 1 1900 2739 93720000 91 04 01 m 5 1 1930 3178 87130000 91 04 01 m 5 4 2000 55975 57955000 91 04 01 m 5 2 2200 67710 01776000 91 04 01 m 5 1 2300 25246 64252000 91 04 01 m 5 1 2330 39826 62893000 91 04 01 m 7 1 1830 2062 26020000 91 04 01 m 7 1 1900 7807 70870000 91 04 01 m 7 1 1930 8246 64280000 91 04 01 m 7 1 2000 6555 55560000 91 04 01 m 7 1 2030 5062 26050000 91 04 01 m 7 1 2100 48197 79184000 91 04 01 m 7 1 2130 22623 32622000 91 04 01 m 7 1 2200 90536 63509000 91 04 01 m 7 1 2230 13064 46031000 91 04 01 m 7 1 2300 43642 24634000 91 04 01 m 7 1 2330 24994 49942000 91 04 01 m 9 1 1830 6826 62860000 91 04 01 m 9 1 1900 3523 32530000 91 04 01 m 9 1 1930 5710 01750000 91 04 01 m 9 2 2000 15371 17351000 91 04 01 m 9 2 2100 81997 79918000 91 04 01 m 9 2 2200 31474 47413000 91 04 01 m 9 1 2300 70710 01707000 91 04 01 m 9 2 2330 77517 71577000 91 04 01 m 11 1 1900 5081 18050000 91 04 01 m 11 1 1930 7178 87170000 91 04 01 m 11 4 2000 11555 55511000 91 04 01 m 11 2 2200 90062 26009000 91 04 01 m 11 1 2300 72178 87127000 91 04 01 m 11 2 2330 73284 48237000 91 05 01 w 2 1 1830 59 95000000 91 05 01 w 2 1 1900 3826 62830000 91 05 01 w 2 1 1930 1 10000000 91 05 01 w 2 1 2000 9246 64290000 91 05 01 w 2 1 2030 1081 18010000 91 05 01 w 2 2 2100 4265 56240000 91 05 01 w 2 2 2200 7352 25370000 91 05 01 w 2 1 2300 6954333 33345960 91 05 01 w 2 2 2330 8034352 25343080 91 05 01 w 4 2 1800 97913 31979000 91 05 01 w 4 1 1900 8994 49980000 91 05 01 w 4 1 1930 9 90000000 91 05 01 w 4 2 2000 9197 79190000 91 05 01 w 4 1 2100 2791 19720000 91 05 01 w 4 1 2130 69130 03196000 91 05 01 w 4 2 2200 2420 02420000 91 05 01 w 4 1 2300 4536 63540000 91 05 01 w 4 2 2330 21791 19712000 91 05 01 w 5 1 1830 8623 32680000 91 05 01 w 5 1 1900 3468 86430000 91 05 01 w 5 1 1930 4807 70840000 91 05 01 w 5 4 2000 56604 40665000 91 05 01 w 5 2 2200 75739 93757000 91 05 01 w 5 1 2300 26975 57962000 91 05 01 w 5 1 2330 30555 55503000 91 05 01 w 7 1 1830 3791 19730000 91 05 01 w 7 1 1900 8536 63580000 91 05 01 w 7 1 1930 9975 57990000 91 05 01 w 7 1 2000 7284 48270000 91 05 01 w 7 1 2030 6791 19760000 91 05 01 w 7 1 2100 49826 62894000 91 05 01 w 7 1 2130 23352 25332000 91 05 01 w 7 2 2200 60807 70806000 91 05 01 w 7 1 2300 44371 17344000 91 05 01 w 7 1 2330 25623 32652000 91 05 02 r 2 1 1830 55 55000000 91 05 02 r 2 1 1900 2032 23020000 91 05 02 r 2 1 1930 89 98000000 91 05 02 r 2 2 2000 9753 35790000 91 05 02 r 2 2 2100 7579 97570000 91 05 02 r 2 2 2200 4686 68640000 91 05 02 r 2 1 2300 6921005 50012960 91 05 02 r 2 2 2330 8001024 42010080 91 05 02 r 4 2 1800 51937 91 05 02 r 4 1 1900 5260 91 05 02 r 4 1 1930 85 91 05 02 r 4 1 2000 1208 91 05 02 r 4 1 2030 3043 91 05 02 r 4 1 2100 2395 91 05 02 r 4 1 2130 56482 91 05 02 r 4 2 2200 5734 91 05 02 r 4 1 2300 7840 91 05 02 r 4 2 2330 96463 91 05 02 r 5 1 1830 2685 91 05 02 r 5 1 1900 4014 91 05 02 r 5 1 1930 8869 91 05 02 r 5 1 2000 9482 91 05 02 r 5 1 2030 5289 91 05 02 r 5 2 2100 38024 91 05 02 r 5 2 2200 31111 91 05 02 r 5 1 2300 61127 91 05 02 r 5 1 2330 90937 91 05 02 r 7 1 1830 7753 91 05 02 r 7 1 1900 5802 91 05 02 r 7 1 1930 3937 91 05 02 r 7 2 2000 43956 91 05 02 r 7 2 2100 23192 91 05 02 r 7 2 2200 33579 91 05 02 r 7 1 2300 91005 91 05 02 r 7 1 2330 85005 91 05 07 t 2 1 1830 197 91 05 07 t 2 1 1900 3804 91 05 07 t 2 1 1930 991 91 05 07 t 2 2 2000 3945 91 05 07 t 2 4 2100 2084 91 05 07 t 2 1 2300 6723465 91 05 07 t 2 2 2330 8803484 91 05 07 t 4 2 1800 44649 91 05 07 t 4 1 1900 1200 91 05 07 t 4 1 1930 587 91 05 07 t 4 4 2000 9129 91 05 07 t 4 2 2200 5736 91 05 07 t 4 1 2300 8692 91 05 07 t 4 2 2330 72787 91 05 07 t 5 1 1830 6649 91 05 07 t 5 1 1900 2656 91 05 07 t 5 1 1930 5533 91 05 07 t 5 4 2000 36668 91 05 07 t 5 2 2200 11303 91 05 07 t 5 1 2300 86129 91 05 07 t 5 1 2330 92397 91 05 07 t 7 1 1830 7945 91 05 07 t 7 1 1900 5804 91 05 07 t 7 1 1930 3129 91 05 07 t 7 1 2000 4552 91 05 07 t 7 1 2030 6587 91 05 07 t 7 1 2100 96552 91 05 07 t 7 1 2130 76216 91 05 07 t 7 2 2200 33571 91 05 07 t 7 1 2300 69787 91 05 07 t 7 1 2330 87465 91 05 07 t 9 1 1830 9571 91 05 07 t 9 1 1900 1620 91 05 07 t 9 6 1930 873200 91 05 07 t 9 1 2230 73200 91 05 07 t 9 1 2300 44113 91 05 07 t 9 2 2330 58200 91 05 07 t 11 1 1900 9216 91 05 07 t 11 1 1930 9133 91 05 07 t 11 4 2000 78668 91 05 07 t 11 2 2200 53303 91 05 07 t 11 1 2300 39281 91 05 07 t 11 1 2330 16991 91 05 07 t 13 1 1830 2007 91 05 07 t 13 2 1900 92262 91 05 07 t 13 2 2000 37610 91 05 07 t 13 4 2100 11397 91 05 07 t 13 1 2300 82397 91 05 07 t 13 1 2330 30194 91 05 08 w 2 1 1830 953 91 05 08 w 2 1 1900 3408 91 05 08 w 2 1 1930 137 91 05 08 w 2 1 2000 2156 91 05 08 w 2 1 2030 1663 91 05 08 w 2 2 2100 3595 91 05 08 w 2 2 2200 6682 91 05 08 w 2 1 2300 6790137 91 05 08 w 2 2 2330 8870156 91 05 08 w 4 2 1800 85791 91 05 08 w 4 1 1900 8576 91 05 08 w 4 1 1930 205 91 05 08 w 4 2 2000 8427 91 05 08 w 4 1 2100 8311 91 05 08 w 4 1 2130 12866 91 05 08 w 4 2 2200 1750 91 05 08 w 4 1 2300 6476 91 05 08 w 4 2 2330 67137 91 05 08 w 5 1 1830 2663 91 05 08 w 5 1 1900 3040 91 05 08 w 5 1 1930 1175 91 05 08 w 5 4 2000 92040 91 05 08 w 5 2 2200 11175 91 05 08 w 5 1 2300 62311 91 05 08 w 5 1 2330 56311 91 05 08 w 7 1 1830 7359 91 05 08 w 7 1 1900 5408 91 05 08 w 7 1 1930 6243 91 05 08 w 7 1 2000 4156 91 05 08 w 7 1 2030 3663 91 05 08 w 7 1 2100 52934 91 05 08 w 7 1 2130 43750 91 05 08 w 7 2 2200 49953 91 05 08 w 7 1 2300 64779 91 05 08 w 7 1 2330 58779
cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka) (05/14/91)
kinsman@ssd.kodak.com writes: > . 1-800-4321-VCR salesman says the device > fits in your hand. It requires a code > to identify your VCR, and a code to > identify your cable decoder box. Provisions > exist to translate the vcr_plus+ selected > channel to a new one via a costomer loaded > translation table. Devices retail for about > $60 at big chain stores... Sears, Silo, > Monkey Ward etc. > > . When are numbers re-used? I still have insufficient > data to prove when they get reused... monthly, yearly? The way I had this explained to me was that the VCR+ knows your cable box and VCR so that it can produce the proper IR codes to operate them. This is pretty obvious. The way the codes work is that a local FM radio station transmits the code number and an "on" code at the start of a program, and the same code number with an "off" code at the end. The VCR+ contains an RF scanner which demodulates these codes. The codes themselves have nothing whatever to do with the info for the program. I would guess that the patterns you see are an artifact of the code number assignment process, rather than a "key" to crack a "code" that probably doesn't exist. The numbers will be reused when they get back around to them. The broadcasts are made by way of an "SCA" (Subcarrier Channel Authorization) which transmits on an extra sideband of the FM radio program. Digital infor- mation can be transmitted without disrupting the normal program material. My parents live in a small town in Arkansas. They checked on these boxes and were told that even though they can get the Little Rock TV stations on their cable system (They don't have paved roads or running water, but they have cable!) they cannot use the VCR+ outside of Little Rock because it can't receive the FM radio station which carries the SCA. DISCLAIMER: All the information I have related here is thirdhand. That means you are getting it fourth hand. Treat it accordingly. I do not use the VCR+ and so I have no experience with it myself. -- ----------------------------------------------------- Gordon S. Hlavenka cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us Disclaimer: Yeah, I said it. So what?
mycal@everexn.com (Mycal Johnson) (05/18/91)
In article <1991May14.070536.1571@vpnet.chi.il.us> cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka) writes: >kinsman@ssd.kodak.com writes: >> . 1-800-4321-VCR salesman says the device rest deleted > >The way I had this explained to me was that the VCR+ knows your cable box and >VCR so that it can produce the proper IR codes to operate them. This is pretty >obvious. The way the codes work is that a local FM radio station transmits >the code number and an "on" code at the start of a program, and the same code >number with an "off" code at the end. The VCR+ contains an RF scanner which >demodulates these codes. The codes themselves have nothing whatever to do with >the info for the program. What does the VCR+ scan? RF? transmitted from what? the tv the vcr? Yea, right. > >I would guess that the patterns you see are an artifact of the code number >assignment process, rather than a "key" to crack a "code" that probably >doesn't exist. The numbers will be reused when they get back around to them. > >The broadcasts are made by way of an "SCA" (Subcarrier Channel Authorization) >which transmits on an extra sideband of the FM radio program. Digital infor- >mation can be transmitted without disrupting the normal program material. > So what you are telling me is my VCR+ remote that works with my standard vcr is getting an "SCA" signal from my TV or VCR which have no "SCA" circutry and it is mistiriously being transmitted to my remote. I say it once more, yea right. >My parents live in a small town in Arkansas. They checked on these boxes and >were told that even though they can get the Little Rock TV stations on their >cable system (They don't have paved roads or running water, but they have >cable!) they cannot use the VCR+ outside of Little Rock because it can't >receive the FM radio station which carries the SCA. > >DISCLAIMER: All the information I have related here is thirdhand. That means >you are getting it fourth hand. Treat it accordingly. I do not use the VCR+ >and so I have no experience with it myself. Oh so thats it, sorry for the sarcastic remarks above. > > >-- >----------------------------------------------------- >Gordon S. Hlavenka cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us >Disclaimer: Yeah, I said it. So what? Mycal Disclaimer: I try to think before I post.