[sci.electronics] WANTED: A crystal AM HF recvr, and "one antenna -> 2 recvrs"

mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us (Nick Sayer) (06/01/91)

I am using a Sony ICF-2010 and a homebrew modem to receive and decode
CHU. It's a bit of a waste to use such a fine radio for something
so simple. So...

1. Is there a cookbook circuit for a crystal controlled single
conversion superhet? It'd be nice if it were frequency switchable
in a simple way. Even better if it were TTL frequency switchable.

2. I want to hook one antenna to 2 (or 3, or 4.....) receivers.
And no, a switch won't do. I would like them all to work AT THE SAME
TIME. Is this simple to do?

I know, I'm a ham, but my bag isn't RF work apart from basic antenna
theory. My thing is software and digital systems.

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rustyh@wam.umd.edu (Michael Katzmann) (06/01/91)

In article <kVAu1iL@quack.sac.ca.us> mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us (Nick Sayer) writes:
>I am using a Sony ICF-2010 and a homebrew modem to receive and decode
>CHU. It's a bit of a waste to use such a fine radio for something
>so simple. So...
>
>1. Is there a cookbook circuit for a crystal controlled single
>conversion superhet? It'd be nice if it were frequency switchable
>in a simple way. Even better if it were TTL frequency switchable.

This looks like a good application for a converter. i.e. 

	---RF AMP-----Mixer----1600khz filter----MF AM Receiver
		Xtal    |
		Oscill--|

Schematics of these are published regularly.  It's cheap, its results
in dual conversion superhet, it's alot easier to build up than a
a full receiver (for the novice at least).  The choice of 1600 kHz for
the "1st IF" is of course flexable (just choose something away from
any strong local AM stations.). 
>
>2. I want to hook one antenna to 2 (or 3, or 4.....) receivers.
>And no, a switch won't do. I would like them all to work AT THE SAME
>TIME. Is this simple to do?
>
A pre-amp with sufficient gain and a splitter is all you need.  If you
just use a splitter (say for two receivers), your noise figure will
degrade by the splitter loss (say 3-4dB) but if you use a pre-amp
then the noise figure is that of the pre-amp plus your splitter loss
divided by the gain of that first pre-amp. So as long as you have
enough gain that splitter loss will not hurt the S/N ratio,  you are
in good shape.


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jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods) (06/03/91)

mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us (Nick Sayer) writes:
>I am using a Sony ICF-2010 and a homebrew modem to receive and decode
>CHU. It's a bit of a waste to use such a fine radio for something
>so simple. So...
>1. Is there a cookbook circuit for a crystal controlled single
>conversion superhet? It'd be nice if it were frequency switchable
>in a simple way. Even better if it were TTL frequency switchable.

I don't think I've seen a "cookbook" circuit for this, but just about any
simple single-conversion circuit should be easily converted by changing the
VFO to a crystal oscillator at the appropriate frequency.  Sometime ago
(Feb 89?  Feb 90?  I'll try to look it up) Doug Demaw had an article in QST
about how to modify a standard transistor AM radio to be a tunable IF for
shortwave receivers; since you're trying to receive an AM signal, you don't
even need to modify the AM receiver; tune it to 1000Kc, get an 8.333Mc crystal,
(CHU is 7.333Mc, if I remember correctly), build a simple 3N211-based converter
(there are abundant "canned" circuits for that) and you're all set (remember
to use a good metal case (and probably a good input filter) to prevent stray
AM broadcast band signals from getting in; rather than just picking a random
IF like 1000Kc, you'd do somewhat better to pick a frequency not in use in
your area).  The advantage of this approach is the simplicity of wiring (in
fact, it occurs to me that you could use an NE-602 IC for plenty of gain
instead of a single-MOSFET converter; you don't even have to bias it).
To use this strategy, it is best to pick an IF which is on the high end of
the range the AM radio will receive, to maximize the rejection by the input
tuned circuit; also pick a crystal which is on the high side of the desired
signal so the image will be at a higher frequency where the circuit will have
(a bit) less gain.

Since you're using a modem to decode the signal, you can probably get away
with the extra noise from having a not-terribly selective IF.

>2. I want to hook one antenna to 2 (or 3, or 4.....) receivers.
>And no, a switch won't do. I would like them all to work AT THE SAME
>TIME. Is this simple to do?

If the application isn't terribly critical, then you ought to be able to
get away with just wiring them all in parallel.  Sensitivity will suffer
a bit, since they're all dividing the input power (this can be ameliorated
by a preamp); if the receivers are of different designs and have different
input impedances, some receivers will hog the input signal -- to fix that
you'll need impedance matching to make all this inputs the same.

John Woods WB7EEL

ken@cherokee.uswest.com (Kenny Chaffin) (06/04/91)

In article <3827@ksr.com> jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods) writes:
>mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us (Nick Sayer) writes:
>>I am using a Sony ICF-2010 and a homebrew modem to receive and decode
>>CHU. It's a bit of a waste to use such a fine radio for something
>>so simple. So...
>>1. Is there a cookbook circuit for a crystal controlled single
>>conversion superhet? It'd be nice if it were frequency switchable
>>in a simple way. Even better if it were TTL frequency switchable.
>
>I don't think I've seen a "cookbook" circuit for this, but just about any
>simple single-conversion circuit should be easily converted by changing the
>VFO to a crystal oscillator at the appropriate frequency.  Sometime ago
>(Feb 89?  Feb 90?  I'll try to look it up) Doug Demaw had an article in QST

	Good stuf about building a chu to am transistor radio converter deleted

Or on the other hand you might simply order a SW receiver kit from Ramsey
electronics. I don't remember the price right off the top of my head, but it's
probably less than $30. The parts etc to build the converter and the AM radio
might cost that much. Of course if you're really into building it yourself
then by all means go ahead--sounds like a fun project.

KAC  WB0E



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