dg@lakart.UUCP (David Goodenough) (05/16/88)
Net-people:
A while back I mentioned having a z80 assembler that is available
in the public domain. There has been a certain amount of interest shown in
it - people E-mailing me and asking for copies, so I am tempted to post the
executables here (in INTEL .HEX format so EVERYONE can use them). However
before I do so I want to be sure that the majority decision is with me -
i.e. I don't want to be on the receiving end of a "770K waste of time
posting" flame throw. So before I post, please email me a yes or a no
opinion, and I will act in accordance with the majority wishes. Please
note that the assembler is NOT compatible with M80 or anything else out
there, but it does have some useful (?) features (I think they're useful).
As a possible prelude, I could post the relevant parts of the documentation
that cover the inconsistancies, so people can make their decisions based
on real information.
Comments PLEASE BY E-MAIL, and I'll keep everyone posted.
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+---+W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA (Keith Petersen) (05/19/88)
David, please don't post programs to Info-Cpm. It causes many people
to lose the entire Info-Cpm Digest because the file exceeds their
allocated disk storage. Everyone on this newsgroup can get files from
Simtel20 either by FTP or netmail using the server at CICGE.RPI.EDU.
I can take your program as crunched files in an LBR so that all the
related files are together. There are two ways to get it to me.
First, if you have a GEnie account you can upload it without charge to
the CP/M RoundTable and I'll transfer it to SIMTEL20. If you can't do
that then upload it to your host and uuencode the LBR and send it to
me via netmail. The best path from you will be
...!uunet!simtel20.arpa!w8sdz
--Keithneubauer@bsu-cs.UUCP (Paul Neubauer) (05/19/88)
In article <KPETERSEN.12399446959.BABYL@SIMTEL20.ARPA> W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA (Keith Petersen) writes: >David, please don't post programs to Info-Cpm. It causes many people >to lose the entire Info-Cpm Digest because the file exceeds their >allocated disk storage. Everyone on this newsgroup can get files from >Simtel20 either by FTP or netmail using the server at CICGE.RPI.EDU. > >me via netmail. The best path from you will be > ...!uunet!simtel20.arpa!w8sdz >--Keith Keith, We've been through this before with other proposals for postings of programs. Yes, there are serious problems with postings and those problems are not going to go away. You have good reason to discourage posting, but your reasoning is FLAWED. It is simply NOT TRUE that "everyone on this newsgroup" can ftp. "This newsgroup" includes many people (like me) who are not reading INFO-CPM (a moderated internet (?) group), but comp.os.cpm (an unmoderated uunet group). The constraints are VERY different. It is still better to have the programs posted to Royal Oak, for example, than to the net, but SIMTEL20 is NOT accessible to everyone. I only wish I could have access to SIMTEL20 or ftp from other sites, but I can't. So please refrain from making unwarrented generalizations about what "everyone" can or cannot do. This is not intended as simply a flame, but you and a (large) number of other people from all of the various ends of "the" net do need to realize that their little corner of the net is not the whole thing. -- Paul Neubauer neubauer@bsu-cs.UUCP <backbones>!{iuvax,pur-ee,uunet}!bsu-cs!neubauer
bill@sigma.UUCP (bill) (05/20/88)
In article <111@lakart.UUCP> dg@lakart.UUCP writes: > A while back I mentioned having a z80 assembler that is available >in the public domain. [...] so I am tempted to post the executables here >[...]. However before I do so I want to be sure that the majority decision >is with me - i.e. I don't want to be on the receiving end of a "770K waste >of time posting" flame throw. [...] I don't see why we don't post sources/binaries for CP/M to the net. We seem to have sources/binaries groups for just about everything else on the net, and some groups, such as the Minix group (at least in its early days), had sources posted in the discussion group itself. It's nice that SIMTEL20 is archiving this stuff, but that site is not readily accessible for some of us, and besides, it appears they're archiving PC stuff, and yet we have PC groups. I'm sure there's a lot more stuff people'd share (ex: my initial cuts at opendir()/readdir(), and "du:filename" extensions to the Eco-C runtime library) if there were a more convenient distribution for the smaller things at least. Some things, such as Greg Lee's EP utilities - at 1 Megabyte, are obviously too large to post, but surely we can handle smaller packages. Thoughts?
W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA (Keith Petersen) (05/21/88)
Have you tried the archive server? Before you flame me please be
fully informed. Comp.Os.Cpm is a newsgroup for messages, not
binaries. If you insist on posting binaries I will have no choice but
to ask that the gateway between Usenet and Arpanet be SHUT OFF.
[Note: In the following discussion, if you are not on BITNET
substitute the address LISTSERV@CICGE.RPI.EDU for the address shown.]
Help information for the PDGET command
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Selected portions of the SIMTEL20 public domain software archives
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collections include the following directories:
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PD1:<MISC.*> -- The Miscellaneous archives
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Planned:
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The two commands have the following form:
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user. Names are usually of the form "PD1:<dir.subdir>name.type"
* "simtel.pattern" specifies a search pattern used in generating a
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mentioned above, but asterisks (*) may be used freely in the
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/PDDIR PD1:<MSDOS.*>ARC*.*
(2) The user wants a listing of the full MSDOS collection.
/PDDIR PD1:<MSDOS>
/PDGET Examples:
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In each of the following examples the user wants the -FILES.DOC file to
examine on his host and the PKX35A35.EXE file to download to his micro,
both from the MSDOS collection. Note that none of the examples have a
closing parenthesis!
(1) The user is on an IBM host directly connected to Bitnet:
/PDGET NETDATA PD1:<MSDOS.STARTER>-FILES.DOC (TRANSLATE
/PDGET NETDATA PD1:<MSDOS.ARC-LBR>PKX35A35.EXE
(2) The user is on a non-IBM host directly connected to Bitnet and can
receive Netdata files:
/PDGET NETDATA PD1:<MSDOS.STARTER>-FILES.DOC (TRANSLATE
/PDGET NETDATA PD1:<MSDOS.ARC-LBR>PKX35A35.EXE (UUE
(3) The user is on a non-IBM host directly connected to Bitnet and can
receive punch files:
/PDGET PUNCH PD1:<MSDOS.STARTER>-FILES.DOC (TRANSLATE
/PDGET PUNCH PD1:<MSDOS.ARC-LBR>PKX35A35.EXE (UUE
(4) The user is on some host somewhere:
/PDGET MAIL PD1:<MSDOS.STARTER>-FILES.DOC (TRANSLATE
/PDGET MAIL PD1:<MSDOS.ARC-LBR>PKX35A35.EXE (UUE
--Keith Petersen
Maintainer of the CP/M and MSDOS archives at SIMTEL20.ARPAdg@lakart.UUCP (David Goodenough) (05/24/88)
Net-people:
In respect of Keith's wishes I am not posting ZSM to the net. I
AM going to get a copy to Keith at simtel20.arpa, for the benefit of all
internet & bitnet people, and for those UUCP sites that have written or
posted, I have all requests saved, and will ship them out. Sadly, I've
limited myself to one a night to keep the load on our neighbours to a
minimum, so it may be a week or two before I get back to you. Please be
patient, you'll get it eventually.
As an aside, does anyone have the mailing address of someone who
looks after the SIG/M or CPMUG libraries, cause since I'm doing this, I
might as well go the whole hog and put it in the P.D. libraries. (P.S.
whatever became of ZOSO :-) :-)
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