Ralph.Hyre@IUS3.IUS.CS.CMU.EDU (10/23/88)
When Borland says 'never offered', I get the feeling that the developed but unoffered product is still lying about on a floppy marked 'can be re-used' in Los Gatos somewhere:-) Maybe you don't want it, but wasn't Mix C initially offerred under CP/M? The only advertise their DOS version now. I believe that a Small-C compiler is available at simtel-20. Good luck. -- - Ralph W. Hyre, Jr. Internet: ralphw@ius3.cs.cmu.edu Phone:(412) CMU-BUGS Amateur Packet Radio: N3FGW@W2XO, or c/o W3VC, CMU Radio Club, Pittsburgh, PA "You can do what you want with my computer, but leave me alone!8-)"
budden@tetra.NOSC.MIL (Rex A. Buddenberg) (10/24/88)
Not so, Ralph. Borland started out as Turbo-Pascal for CPM machines -- a product looking for a company. Since Philippe Kahn, at the time an illegal alien, couldn't get anyone else to market T-P, he formed Borland and started selling. Migration to MS_DOS (and CPM-86) happened later. This dates back to '83 or so (I have a Turbo-Pascal compiler with a 4 digit serial number to prove it), before MS-DOS was a real market force. Turbo-C didn't get to market until 85 or 86. Indeed, Philippe, in a Dr Dobbs interview described C 'not as a language, but as a disease' and indicated that they were getting into C rather reluctantly. By this time, MS-DOS had pretty well taken over, so its rather doubtful that a CPM Turbo-C copmpiler exists. Incidentally, Modula-2 from Borland did go the way you suspicion. Since M-2 was a natural extension for a house already selling Pascal compilers, the CPM version did indeed grow. But not an MS-DOS version. Because, probably, the market had moved on, Borland declined to sell it themselves, but licensed it to Echelon. My guess is the decision might have been different if they had an MS-DOS M2 compiler so they could support both OS's. Sigh. Rex Buddenberg (disclaimer: no connection to Borland, only reciting folklore)
winans@mcs.anl.gov (John Winans) (11/10/90)
Howdy, Just started reading comp.os.cpm to see what the current state of CP/M is. It doesn't look too far from where I last used it in '86. I am interested in using it some more to delevop some code that will run on a Z80 based controller. I have used BDS C on systems an undergrad in college. I thought I could recompile the libs and stuff so I could generate ROM based code. I looked on simtel and they did not have the whole thing. Anybody know what ever happened to Leor Zolman? Or where I can get a copy of BDS C? I could use a cross-compiler that runs on a PC instead if it could generate ROM based code. Any other comments on other Z80 code generating C compilers floating around would be welcome too. Hmmmm... For that matter any info on the licencing status of CP/M would be welcome as well. I have a real live legal copy that came with my Altos a while back, but I gotta wonder if it is PD these days or if there are any PD clones of it around. I have Z80mu that I run on my PC sometimes, but wonder if there is a PD CP/M for Z80 machines around. Thanx in advance. P.S. If there is an FAQ for this group, could someone please email it to me?? -- ! John Winans Advanced Computing Research Facility ! ! winans@mcs.anl.gov Argonne National Laboratory, Illinois ! ! ! !"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away"-- Tom Waite !
wilker@descartes.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) (11/10/90)
CP/M is not public domain. The major components of CP/M are 1) Utilities..ASM.COM, etc. There are public domain upgrades to most of these. 2) CCP the command line processor. There are several z80 and 8080 replacements/enhancements to this. 3) BDOS the guts of CP/M. There are several z80 replacements in SIMTEL20 PD2:<CPM.BDOS>. I don't know of any purely public domain 8080 versions. I have for example a dis-assembly of the DRI BDOS but it is not public domain. 4) BIOS this comes from the computer maker, or from you, adapted to your machine. There are also some integrated "ZCPR" packages for particular machines. If you want to roll your own public domain verisons, you may need some effort producing a bios, and producing a MOVCPM that will relocate your "CP/M". If you want a legal copy of CP/M, check garage sales, versions for Apple or Commodore. As far as I know, sales to individuals of CP/M 2.2 or 3.0 are no longer possible in the US. Clarence Wilkerson
ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) (11/11/90)
wilker@descartes.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) writes: > > CP/M is not public domain. The major components of CP/M > are > your "CP/M". <<misc stuff deleted>> > If you want a legal copy of CP/M, check garage sales, versions for > Apple or Commodore. As far as I know, sales to individuals of > CP/M 2.2 or 3.0 are no longer possible in the US. > Clarence Wilkerson It thought that Digital Research withdrew all of its support for CP/M years ago. I would think that they would have relinquished their rights because they don't support it. If they still distribute it, but don't support it, then something is SERIOUSLY (IMHO) with DRI's policies, mainly because most of its work is devoted to DR-DOS and GEM-86 and GEM-68k. Anyone care to rebut? Thanks in advance.
adamd@rhi.hi.is (Adam David) (11/12/90)
In <16403@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> wilker@descartes.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) writes: > CP/M is not public domain. The major components of CP/M >are >1) Utilities..ASM.COM, etc. There are public domain upgrades to most >of these. >2) CCP the command line processor. There are several z80 and 8080 >replacements/enhancements to this. >3) BDOS the guts of CP/M. There are several z80 replacements in >SIMTEL20 PD2:<CPM.BDOS>. I don't know of any purely public domain >8080 versions. I have for example a dis-assembly of the DRI BDOS >but it is not public domain. >4) BIOS this comes from the computer maker, or from you, adapted >to your machine. I read a few years ago (don't remember where offhand) that DRI had put CP/M 2.2 in the public domain when it was no longer viable as a commercial product and possibly also so they could back out of supporting the system. CP/M 3.0 retained full proprietory material status and continued to be sold. Two questions: 1) Is this true? 2) how much of the material was actually released to PD? Adam David. adamd@rhi.hi.is
paul@athertn.Atherton.COM (Paul Sander) (11/13/90)
In article <7eVgs1w163w@ijpc.UUCP> ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes: >wilker@descartes.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) writes: >> If you want a legal copy of CP/M, check garage sales, versions for >> Apple or Commodore. As far as I know, sales to individuals of >> CP/M 2.2 or 3.0 are no longer possible in the US. >> Clarence Wilkerson > >It thought that Digital Research withdrew all of its support for >CP/M years ago. I would think that they would have relinquished >their rights because they don't support it. If they still >distribute it, but don't support it, then something is SERIOUSLY >(IMHO) with DRI's policies, mainly because most of its work is >devoted to DR-DOS and GEM-86 and GEM-68k. Anyone care to rebut? Digital Research no longer supports CP/M, but they have sold the rights to another firm that still has copies of CP/M 2.2 and 3.0. I believe the name of the company is "Johnson and Lord", and they are located in the Pacific Grove or Monterey area. This firm still sells 8 inch floppies containing vanilla CP/M, with all of DR's documentation. No specific vendors' ports are supported; you'd have to go to the vendor for support for their particular version. Prices are also reminiscent of DR's. By the way, they offer no support or update policy on the software. It's been long enough that I am unsure if I got the name of the company correct. I'll try to dig up the correct name and telephone number for them and post them later. -- Paul Sander (408) 734-9822 | "Passwords are like underwear," she said, paul@Atherton.COM | "Both should be changed often." {decwrl,pyramid,sun}!athertn!paul | -- Bennett Falk in "Mom Meets Unix"
rickc@pogo.WV.TEK.COM (Rick Clements) (11/14/90)
In article <7eVgs1w163w@ijpc.UUCP> ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes: }wilker@descartes.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) writes: }} CP/M is not public domain. The major components of CP/M }It thought that Digital Research withdrew all of its support for }CP/M years ago. I would think that they would have relinquished }their rights because they don't support it. If they still }distribute it, but don't support it, then something is SERIOUSLY }(IMHO) with DRI's policies, mainly because most of its work is }devoted to DR-DOS and GEM-86 and GEM-68k. Anyone care to rebut? I bought a C128 a couple years ago. It has a CP/M licence agreement with it. So, I ASSUME that it isn't public domain. -- Rick Clements (RickC@pogo.WV.TEK.COM)
fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) (11/17/90)
In article <10075@pogo.WV.TEK.COM> rickc@pogo.WV.TEK.COM (Rick Clements) writes: > >I bought a C128 a couple years ago. It has a CP/M licence agreement with it. >So, I ASSUME that it isn't public domain. version 3, perhaps, but they stopped marketing 2.2 many years ago, and i haven't seen any new packages that include 2.2 code, and they don't support 2.2 anymore, so i guess according to pournelle's guidlines, it's psuedo pd. at least, i highly doubt that DR is going to sue you because you copied a boot disk for someone... but remember, the bios is the property of the company that wrote it, usually the manufacturer of the machine, and they can be somewhat sticky about this... case in point - Trisoft now holds the rights to pickles and trout cp/m for the radio shack model 2, 12, and 16. radio shack stopped producing the last of the machines perhaps 1 or 2 years ago, and has stopped supporting the z80 machines (2, 12) altogether, but trisoft will still sell you a virgin copy of cp/m 2.2 for $125. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!!
Richard_Plinston@kcbbs.gen.nz (Richard Plinston) (11/17/90)
>>> Johnson & Lord Are you confused with Andy Johnson-Laird, a person not a company. Most Ex-DRI products seem to be handled by Discus, including CP/M 2.2 and CP/M Plus (3.0). Also CBasic, Fortran-77, PL/1-86, MT+. Discus Distribution Services 340 El Camino Real South Firestone Business Park Salinas, CA 93901 (408) 424-5851 I wonder where Andy is now ? | / /~~ Public Unix BBS 24hrs | Ban French |_/ /\ |~\ |~\ /\ | |~ | | /~ | (~ Auckland NEW ZEALAND | nuclear | \ \,\ |,/ |,/ \,\ | | |_| \_ | _) KC BBS: 09-817-3714 | testing in | \ | | \__ Voice: 09-817-5569 | Pacific