[comp.sys.tandy] Tandy 2000 Hard Drives and Floppy

snewton@ (Steve Newton) (08/06/89)

I have a 2FD 2000 and would like to get either your 'extra'
2000's with a hard disk or would purchase your HD controller.

Has anyone have a ST506 HD larger than 10 MEG?

I am porting MINIX (comp.os.minix) to this machine and need a HD.

Tell me if you have ANY PARTS OR BOARDS OR SOFTWARE to trade.
(I have Db3,Mword,MultPln,etc)

Thanks: Please mail to snewton@donald.cs.umn.edu or
			snewton@ux.acss.umn.edu

yerazunis@cthulu.dec.com (08/06/89)

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In article <15058@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU>, you write...
>I have a 2FD 2000 and would like to get either your 'extra'
>2000's with a hard disk or would purchase your HD controller.
> 
>Has anyone have a ST506 HD larger than 10 MEG?
> 
>I am porting MINIX (comp.os.minix) to this machine and need a HD.
> 
>Tell me if you have ANY PARTS OR BOARDS OR SOFTWARE to trade.
>(I have Db3,Mword,MultPln,etc)
> 
>Thanks: Please mail to snewton@donald.cs.umn.edu or
>			snewton@ux.acss.umn.edu

I upgraded my 2000 from a dual-floppy unit to a hard drive unit.

You will need:

	1) the HD controller card. 
	2) The HD cables (severely funky cables!)
	3) the HD power supply (you see the power supply tunnel
	   inside your 2000?  Notice the "access hatch" in the top
	   of it?  That's not really an access hatch.  If you have an
	   HD, a separate (35 watt or so?) power supply mounted
	   on the inside of the hatch cover goes there.  This was Tandy's
	   way of economy-engineering.)
	4) An HD mounting kit.  This is a bizarrely shaped metal tray that 
	   lets you secure the HDA into the space between the FD's and the
	   power supply tunnel.  The HD tray includes integral shock mounts.
	5) An HD.  I'm using a surplus DEC RD-52 disk (nominal 35 Megabytes,
	   but I don't know how to tell MS-DOS to use past the first 10 Meg.)
	   You need an ST-506 drive with BUILT-IN RAMPED SEEK!!!  This is 
	   because the 2000 controller does not ramp it's seek commands and
	   hence will "lose" the non-ramped disk (you'll get head-positioning
	   errors that won't recover within 10 seconds of boot-up.)

Good luck.  Your project is doable (I did it!) but it's not easy.  Please post
a note if you get MINIX up and running on your 2000HD.

Don't try and get away without the extra power supply, the mounting kit, and
the cable kit.  I fell down a rathole there for quite a while; if it's doable
it's also a real pain.

(Do you know how to tell MS-DOS to use more than the first 10 meg on a hard
disk?)

	-Good luck
	 Bill  

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garyk@techsup.UUCP (08/09/89)

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I tried to email this, but DECWRL vomited on the address...

In article <15058@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU>, you write...
>I have a 2FD 2000 and would like to get either your 'extra'
>2000's with a hard disk or would purchase your HD controller.
> 
>Has anyone have a ST506 HD larger than 10 MEG?
> 
>I am porting MINIX (comp.os.minix) to this machine and need a HD.
> 
>Tell me if you have ANY PARTS OR BOARDS OR SOFTWARE to trade.
>(I have Db3,Mword,MultPln,etc)
> 
>Thanks: Please mail to snewton@donald.cs.umn.edu or
>			snewton@ux.acss.umn.edu

I upgraded my 2000 from a dual-floppy unit to a hard drive unit.

You will need:

	1) the HD controller card. 
	2) The HD cables (severely funky cables!)
	3) the HD power supply (you see the power supply tunnel
	   inside your 2000?  Notice the "access hatch" in the top
	   of it?  That's not really an access hatch.  If you have an
	   HD, a separate (35 watt or so?) power supply mounted
	   on the inside of the hatch cover goes there.  This was Tandy's
	   way of economy-engineering.)
	4) An HD mounting kit.  This is a bizarrely shaped metal tray that 
	   lets you secure the HDA into the space between the FD's and the
	   power supply tunnel.  The HD tray includes integral shock mounts.
	5) An HD.  I'm using a surplus DEC RD-52 disk (nominal 35 Megabytes,
	   but I don't know how to tell MS-DOS to use past the first 10 Meg.)
	   You need an ST-506 drive with BUILT-IN RAMPED SEEK!!!  This is 
	   because the 2000 controller does not ramp it's seek commands and
	   hence will "lose" the non-ramped disk (you'll get head-positioning
	   errors that won't recover within 10 seconds of boot-up.)

Good luck.  Your project is doable (I did it!) but it's not easy.  Please post
a note if you get MINIX up and running on your 2000HD.

Don't try and get away without the extra power supply, the mounting kit, and
the cable kit.  I fell down a rathole there for quite a while; if it's doable
it's also a real pain.

(Do you know how to tell MS-DOS to use more than the first 10 meg on a hard
disk?)

	-Good luck
	 Bill  

(c) Copyright 1989 Bill Yerazunis (a.k.a. Crah the Merciless). All rights 
reserved, no responsibility taken by myself or my employer.  Without permission
of author, this information may not be viewed, misquoted, filed, indexed, 
reproduced, briefed, debriefed, catalogued, duplicated, stamped, duplicated, 
numbered (3), stored, or retained upon the retina by the persistence of vision.

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garyk@techsup.UUCP (08/09/89)

/* Written  4:42 pm  Aug  8, 1989 by techsup.UUCP!garyk in techsup:comp.sys.tandy */
> 	5) An HD.  I'm using a surplus DEC RD-52 disk (nominal 35 Megabytes,
> 	   but I don't know how to tell MS-DOS to use past the first 10 Meg.)
> 	   You need an ST-506 drive with BUILT-IN RAMPED SEEK!!!  This is 
> 	   because the 2000 controller does not ramp it's seek commands and
> 	   hence will "lose" the non-ramped disk (you'll get head-positioning
> 	   errors that won't recover within 10 seconds of boot-up.)
> 
> 
> (Do you know how to tell MS-DOS to use more than the first 10 meg on a hard
> disk?)
> 
> 	-Good luck
> 	 Bill  
> 
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There are two options that might be of use on the Tandy 2000 HFORMAT program.

HFORMAT /p	< will cause the program to ask for number of heads & cyls.
		  DO NOT go over 32 megabytes!

HFORMAT /b	< prompts for the 'bad track' data

These can be used in combination with each other & the /s option.  I am told 
this is buried somewhere deep in the owners manual.



			Gary Kueck
			{sys1:trsvax}!techsup!garyk

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