[comp.sys.tandy] Advanced Systems - Now "Major Flame!"

dave@kbvan.com (Dave Van Allen) (04/01/91)

>In article <1991Mar29.162359.2428@pdn.paradyne.com> roth@pdntg1.paradyne.com (Mike Rothman) writes:

><   Did RS ever come out with any 486 machines?  If so, what prices, etc
><   Isn't it sad that RS (at least from previous experience) likes to incompatibalize (nice word) its systems with others.  Case in point, PC-based Hard-drives!
><   Oh well, just sounding off....

First, to answer the above question on the 486. No, not as of yet, except
through GriD.  Incompatibalize ?? I can only guess your speaking of the 1000
series, that do have some weird, but workable inner's. Flipped hard drive
interupts on early 1000's, VGA (incompatibalize-abilities) on newer models.
BUT...the 3000 and above were all pretty standard.  Tandy builds very good
computers, BUT users take "home" computers. ala 1000TX and try to turn
them into Crays. If you want 660 meg of SCSI on your TX, you bought the
wrong computer.  NOW...for the fun!

In article <HAROLDT.91Mar30042508@paralandra.yorku.ca> haroldt@paralandra.yorku.ca (Harold Tomlinson) writes:
>(FLAME ON)
>
>  Why is it that 90% of the people who 'sound off' don't know what they are
>talking about. 
> [junk deleted]

You obviously fall smack dad in the middle of that group
>
>  On the other hand there is the Tandy 5000MC,  (The MC "does not stand for 
>Micro-Channel" according to Radio Shack.) the only non-IBM Micro-Channel 
>computer currently on the market.

I think a few "other makers" of MC compat's would beg to differ with you.
Makers like NCR, WANG, ALR, Apricot..etc. Although, the Tandy 5000MC
(for Micro-Channel) was the first...in 1988! 3 years ago.

>It is not only software and hardware
>compatible to the PS/2-80, it out-runs it and looks just like it inside ;)

You need to take the cover off to look inside a computer. I think you'll
be very suprised to see the 5000MC's motherboard horizontal, while the
PS/2 model 80's is vertical and even a blind man would be able to tell
the difference after they got past *that* small point!. ;-)

Oh, on the software and hardware compatible thing...the MC does not offer
switchless installation. AND in PC Magazine Oct. 30, 1990 issue the MC
was one of two MC "compat's tested that FAILED the test suite. (12 systems
were tested.) Maybe you should subscibe?i

>(Flame off)
>  Okay, I feel better now.  I worked for RS and get really sick of people
>knocking stuff they don't even know. 

I can't imagine that you feel any better, but I am going to agree with
you on some of your points. (I worked for RS as well). and I, like you
are tired of Shack bashing...when it is not warrented. The products
they make (or have manufactured for them) are very good.  I have and
will continue to buy Tandy whenever feasable.  I just purchased an RL
for the kids. I would have bought NO other computer.  I also don't expect
to ever run AutoCad on it or "soup it up" with a Slick-myster Wow Bang
i486 upgrade kit. Unfortunity, you must get past some inexperienced
RS employees at times to get at the truth, but an informed shopper will always
win.

>For example, the best batteries on
>the market are Eveready Energizers, which are Radio Shack batteries under
>a different label. (----------->>>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^...)

**Boy will THAT suprise the stockholders!!** 

>The headphones are by Koss, one of the best.

Hey he's right!

>  The reason Tandy got a bad name in computers is because they built 
>expensive but powerful machines.  Lets face it, Tandy had the Model 16
>long before I'd heard of the 80286.

 The model 16 had a >80286<??? Boy will THAT suprise Intel!!
>
>As to the hard drive, what do you mean?  Are you complaining about the 
>IDE drives?  If so, what do you think of SCSI?  If not, then I am confused.

Know...I'm confused? IDE, SCSI are they suppose to be related somehow?
>
[more deleted]>
>
>  My favorite Tandys are the Grid1400 (yes, Grid computers is owned by Tandy),
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Right again...on a roll!

>the IBM PS/2 Model 80 (aka Tandy 5000MC), get 
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Uh...wrong again, off a roll!
 
>  One last piece of trivia, The 5000MC was unveiled a few hours BEFORE
>IBM unveiled their equivalent.  :)  And for thousands less.... :) :)
>
On last, last piece of trivia... Wrong again!

This is why, Tandy and others have unwarrented problems.  People like
you that claim to have the answers, while in fact you are 90% wrong!
New users, read this and develop opinions based on this wrong information
and the outcome is like a spreading cancer.

FLAME OFF!!!


   Dave Van Allen

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greensp@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Shawn Green) (04/02/91)

I would be very interested to know if all the people here on this newsgroup
who support Tandy products are actually serious or if this is some deep
sarcasm which I have yet to understand.  I own a TX and have had nothing but
negative experiences in my dealings with Radio Shack.  I haven't found the
reliability of my system to be impressive, considering the price.  When
something goes wrong, I've only twice been lucky enough to encounter a RS 
employee who knows *anything* about the computer lines. I don't personally
know anybody (who knows anything about computers) who would buy a Tandy, or
anybody who already has one who would buy another.  Had I known in '88 what
I know now, I wouldn't have bought one.  As many of these beasts Tandy has
sold, it seems that somebody likes them.  A question to you die-hard Tandy
supporters -- Why?  What do you see in the product that I don't?  Please
convince me I haven't wasted $2500 on my system.

Shawn Green