RFM@psuvm.psu.edu (05/12/91)
I almost freaked out when I finally got around to reading my May 6 edition of InfoWorld. They ran a comparison of 286 laptops, and here's the Tandy 2810 getting one of their top ratings, along with the Dell 212n and the Zeos Notebook 286. Two other machines that also got high ratings were the Grid 1720 and the Panasonic 270, both of which are Tandys under their skin. Wonders never cease! BobM
anthony@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) (05/12/91)
In article <91131.224709RFM@psuvm.psu.edu> RFM@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >got high ratings were the Grid 1720 and the Panasonic 270, both of >which are Tandys under their skin. Wonders never cease! Actually, just about every single MS-DOS machine that Tandy sells right now is actually a Pansonic. Sometimes the Tandy version is a bit different, like DeskMate in ROM. The Tandy 2810 is actually the Panasonic 270, just like the Tandy 1100FD is a Pansonic 150B, minus the backlight, and RAM expansion, but with DeskMate. The GRiD 1720 is really a GRiD, the company was bought out by Tandy some time ago. Basicly, Tandy just bought the right hardware. Tandy hasn't made original equipment for some time now, I think the Tandy 6000 was one of the last. I'm not even sure the CoCo was entirely developed by them. Still, it's good equipment. My TRS-80 M100 (custom manufactured by Kyocera for Tandy) is still working fine, after five years. -- <-:(= Anthony Stieber anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony Psion Mailing List subscriber submissions psion ----------\ the (human) moderator psion-owner -------+--@csd4.csd.uwm.edu subscriptions and file requests psion-request ----/
Bruce_Peltzer@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Peltzer) (05/12/91)
> anthony@convex.csd.uwm.edu writes: > > Msg-ID: <12082@uwm.edu> > Posted: 12 May 91 05:32:39 GMT > > Org. : University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee > Person: Anthony J Stieber > > In article <91131.224709RFM@psuvm.psu.edu> RFM@psuvm.psu.edu writes: > >got high ratings were the Grid 1720 and the Panasonic 270, both of > >which are Tandys under their skin. Wonders never cease! > > Actually, just about every single MS-DOS machine that Tandy sells right now > is actually a Pansonic. > > Tandy hasn't made original equipment for some time now, [stuff deleted] BZZZZT! Wrong! Having been the PC Technician for a large corporation here in Canada, I have had plenty of opportunity to tackle the insides of several Panasonic computers. Each one was made by Tandy, not Panasonic. Matsushita simply repackages Tandy computers as Panasonic (different case so they look different). The Tandy 2810 is made by Tandy. The Panasonic 270 is made by Tandy. Also, we needed to locate a service manual for the FX-1925s (16MHz 386sx) so I talked to a couple people at Panasonic. Both stated that they did not have manuals available. I suggested to my manager that we get a Tandy manual (usually very thorough) but nothing happened from that route. After I came back to work from 4 months in college, I again pursued the elusive Panasonic manuals. I told the West Coast Regional Manager in no uncertain terms that I wanted a manual. He said that Panasonic still didn't have any available but asked if I minded if the manuals he would send me said Tandy on them. To make a long story short, Tandy DOES make computers. -bp-. ---------------------------------------------------------------- uucp: a567@mindlink.UUCP GEnie: b.peltzer2 ----------------------------------------------------------------
jackw@nstar.rn.com (Jack Wiggins) (05/13/91)
RFM@psuvm.psu.edu writes: > I almost freaked out when I finally got around to reading my May 6 > edition of InfoWorld. They ran a comparison of 286 laptops, and > here's the Tandy 2810 getting one of their top ratings, along with > the Dell 212n and the Zeos Notebook 286. Two other machines that also > got high ratings were the Grid 1720 and the Panasonic 270, both of > which are Tandys under their skin. Wonders never cease! > BobM I don't know about the others but my borother in law has a Zeos Notebook 286 and I agree that it's a nice unit. A bigger HD would've been nice... -- Jack Wiggins NSTAR conferencing site 219-289-0287/317-251-7391 internet: jackw@nstar.rn.com 1300 newsgroups - 8 inbound lines uucp: ..!uunet!nstar.rn.com!jackw 99 file areas - 4300 megabytes --- backbone news & mail feeds available - contact larry@nstar.rn.com ---
jim@rwsys.lonestar.org (James Wyatt KA5VJL) (05/13/91)
In article <91131.224709RFM@psuvm.psu.edu> RFM@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >got high ratings were the Grid 1720 and the Panasonic 270, both of >which are Tandys under their skin. Wonders never cease! And in <12082@uwm.edu> anthony@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) answers: >Actually, just about every single MS-DOS machine that Tandy sells right >now is actually a Pansonic. Sometimes the Tandy version is a bit >different, like DeskMate in ROM. The Tandy 2810 is actually the >Panasonic 270, just like the Tandy 1100FD is a Pansonic 150B, minus the >backlight, and RAM expansion, but with DeskMate. >The GRiD 1720 is really a GRiD, the company was bought out by Tandy >some time ago. Basicly, Tandy just bought the right hardware. Tandy >hasn't made original equipment for some time now, I think the Tandy >6000 was one of the last. I'm not even sure the CoCo was entirely >developed by them. Still, it's good equipment. My TRS-80 M100 (custom >manufactured by Kyocera for Tandy) is still working fine, after five >years. Since Anthony knows *so much* about what Tandy manufactures and what they buy, maybe he should look *inside* the Panasonic machines for a change... Tandy has several nice highly-automated, high-yield computer production lines here in Fort Worth. (It's nice to find repairable reject motherboards at the outlet stores here and roll-your-own machine!) Tandy has made many other computers since the 6000 for sale to Radio Shack (of course), Grid, Panasonic, Digital Equipment, and others. I've seen the press releases in the Wall Street Journal (for Panasonic) and EE Times (for DEC). The machines for Panasonic are interesting because the machines are made in Fort Worth, Texas, USA and sold to a *Japanese* company. Most of the custom ASICs used in Tandy's machines were designed by Tandy for cost/size/power reduction here in FW at Tandy's R&D department. The designs have come a long way from the old 3000HD to the 2500XL2, but they designed and *built* them both, they didn't '...just buy the right hardware.'! Since Tandy has so much invested in product design and manufacturing, they can make zillions of machines, label and bundle them however anyone wants, and deliver them for less than others can make their own. DEC makes minis, needs powerful PCs to network to them, and doesn't want to buy IBM PS/2s ( 1/2 8{), so they buy Tandy's. We know they can't make their own from the last time they tried. (I owned a Rainbow 250 for several weeks, okay?) Sorry for the diatribe, but I *hate* seeing a load of (pick one: crap, hogwash, rubbish, counter-truths, baseless idiocy, etc...) like that go uncontested, especially after working with the department being derated. I did notice, the first guy got it right. Most others in this group likely know the truth, right? (except Joe Applegate 8{) NOTE: I do software work (not DeskMate in ROM either! 8{) and (above all) I speak about, not *for* Tandy. I don't even make many decisions for them... ---- James Wyatt (KA5VJL) - Why is my life so much HARDER than everyone else's? jim@rwsys.lonestar.org or utacfd!letni!rwsys!jim (H)817-595-0571
neese@adaptx1.UUCP (05/14/91)
>In article <91131.224709RFM@psuvm.psu.edu> RFM@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >>got high ratings were the Grid 1720 and the Panasonic 270, both of >>which are Tandys under their skin. Wonders never cease! > >Actually, just about every single MS-DOS machine that Tandy sells right >now is actually a Pansonic. Sometimes the Tandy version is a bit >different, like DeskMate in ROM. The Tandy 2810 is actually the >Panasonic 270, just like the Tandy 1100FD is a Pansonic 150B, minus the >backlight, and RAM expansion, but with DeskMate. > >The GRiD 1720 is really a GRiD, the company was bought out by Tandy >some time ago. Basicly, Tandy just bought the right hardware. Tandy >hasn't made original equipment for some time now, I think the Tandy >6000 was one of the last. I'm not even sure the CoCo was entirely >developed by them. Still, it's good equipment. My TRS-80 M100 (custom >manufactured by Kyocera for Tandy) is still working fine, after five >years. I don't know about the laptops, but all of Tandy's desktop computers are designed and built by Tandy. I do know that Panasonic does OEM some equipment from Tandy. Don't know what that includes. That was all over the local press a while back. The CoCo has always been Tandy designed and manufactured. Roy Neese Adaptec Senior SCSI Applications Engineer UUCP @ neese@adaptex uunet!cs.utexas.edu!utacfd!merch!adaptex!neese
bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) (05/15/91)
In article <14927@rwsys.lonestar.org> jim@rwsys.lonestar.org (James Wyatt KA5VJL) writes: >The designs >have come a long way from the old 3000HD to the 2500XL2, I have a site that has seven 3000's running Xenix. Tandy's changes to the original IBM concept have to applauded. On some models of the 3000, the power supply is a box with large vents, and a fan is installed on the front of the computer. It sucks air IN through a washable filter. Pressurizing a device instead of sucking air out (and consequently in through every opening including the floppy drives) is the PROPER way to do things. These machines are the only PCs that you can open after a year and still find them clean inside. I don't know why the entire line was not done that way. -- Bill Vermillion - UUCP: ...!tarpit!bilver!bill : bill@bilver.UUCP
halkoD@batman.moravian.EDU (David Halko) (05/16/91)
Hello...
I used to work for Tandy for some time... we would get blurbs about
what Tandy has done where and when. Tandy DOES own the manufacturing
facility for its PC's... the facilities work extremely well and the
computers which are produced, as of some time last summer, had the
lowest defect rate in the industry.
Panasonic puts their labels on Tandy computers.... amazing, eh?
Dave Halko
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\_______________________________________________________________________/anthony@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) (05/20/91)
In article <12082@uwm.edu> anthony@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) writes: >Tandy >hasn't made original equipment for some time now, I think the Tandy >6000 was one of the last. I have gotten many responses to this posting. I was quite wrong. Tandy designs, manufactures, and sells computers to DEC, GRiD, and Panasonic. I made the assumption that if a US company and a Japanese company both sell nearly identical equipment, it's the Japanese company that actualy designed and built them. It's clear to me now that the desktop machines are Tandys. It's not so clear about the laptops. One person posted that they are built by Panasonic. Could this be a coopertive venture similar to the TI/Sharp laptops? -- <-:(= Anthony Stieber anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony Psion Mailing List subscriber submissions psion ----------\ the (human) moderator psion-owner -------+--@csd4.csd.uwm.edu subscriptions and file requests psion-request ----/