[comp.sys.hp] need info on laptops

rcj@moss.ATT.COM (10/06/87)

My name is Curtis Jackson, and I want a laptop portable computer.
Being a rank amateur in the field of home computing, I'm asking for
advice, experiences, and even used equipment.

Here's what I would like to get:  Bear in mind that I want this for
writing fiction, not software, so the only computing power I need is
for text editing (I'll upload the stuff to another system to typeset
it), and I'm quite willing to write my own visual editor in the machine's
native assembler if a good text editor isn't readily available.

ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENTS:
Laptop portable (translation: lightweight and battery powered)
Ability to run off A/C power instead of battery if desired
LCD screen (for low power usage and high visibility in bright sunlight)
One floppy drive
Internal modem (>= 1200 baud) or ability to add a modem (internal or external)
360Kbytes memory (builtin or with extra internal cards added)

VERY HIGHLY DESIRABLE:
Two floppy drives (builtin, not external)
More than 360Kbytes memory
25-line screen (some have only 16)
IBM PC-compatible
RS-232 interface or ability to add one on
Ability to plug into some hard disk
Long battery life (between charges)

Money is a definite object in this search.  I have already looked at
the IBM PC Laptop.  I've seen ads for the following laptops as well:

Maker/Model:		Information I have so far:
===========		=========================
Sharp			Very similar to the IBM
NEC Multispeed		Very little info; appears to be a little over-priced
Toshiba			No good info
COMPAQ			Both over-powered for my needs *and* over-priced
Tandy 1400 LT		*Seems* both over-powered *and* over-priced; perhaps
			I need more info on it
Zenith			No good info
Morrow Pivot I		Only a 16-line screen and builtin modem is 300 baud;
			no idea on whether I can replace modem; no idea as
			to battery life; never heard of Morrow; etc. etc.
HP			I saw one briefly this weekend, but don't really
			know anything about it

Any help, pointers, reviews from experience, or referrals to people willing
to part with used equipment would be GREATLY appreciated.  Please try to
use e-mail rather than the net if possible, since I'm cross-posting this
to a couple of newsgroups on USENET.  If New Jersey or New York residents
could refer me to good computer stores with knowledgeable staff that would
be an extra bonus.

Thanks for your time,

The MAD Programmer -- 201-386-6409 (Cornet 232)
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baker@hpsemc.UUCP (John Corey) (10/08/87)

> My name is Curtis Jackson, and I want a laptop portable computer.
> Being a rank amateur in the field of home computing, I'm asking for
> advice, experiences, and even used equipment.
> 
> Here's what I would like to get:  Bear in mind that I want this for
> writing fiction, not software, so the only computing power I need is
> for text editing (I'll upload the stuff to another system to typeset
> it), and I'm quite willing to write my own visual editor in the machine's
> native assembler if a good text editor isn't readily available.

Last week I started using a HP laptop.  Given that I work for HP, I just
borrowed one for a couple of months.  I am trying to decide if it will
help me do ALL the things I do better than using a paper-based time manager
system.

The HP will not meet all you requirements.  It has no disc drives built
in.  I have my doubts about the reliability of a system which has
mechanical systems built in.  I have let a HP Portable Plus fall on the
floor to highlight how well built it is.  Depending on you needs, a modem
may give you all the transfer capabilities that you need.

If you are writing fiction, I would focus on systems which will support the
word processing package (or editor) which you want to use.  Using the same
package on the "host" and the portable is best.

Give some hard thought as to how you will really use the system.  If you
really want to carry it around daily, weight and reliability will be
key.  If you will only move it on weekends, higher weight and less
strict enviromental constraints might fit.

John "baker" Corey
hplabs!hpsemc!baker

brian@hpirs.HP.COM (Brian Baer) (10/09/87)

If you are looking for an HP Portable that offers most (or all)
of the features you mentioned take a look at the NEW HP Portable
Vectra CS.

Unique features that the new HP Portable Vectra CS offers:

	* Large Detachable Display
	* Full-size Keyboard
	* 4 I/O Slots
	* EMS (Lotus+/Intel/Microsoft Expanded Memory Specification)

For the sales office nearest you call: (800) 752.0900

Brian Baer
HP ITG/ISO

+ Lotus is a registered trademark of Lotus Development pypyp

garyq@hpfcdc.HP.COM (Gary Quakenbush) (10/09/87)

HP is now shipping a NEW portable called the HP Vectra Portable CS,
as well as the previous HP offering called the HP Portable Plus.
I think the new one will come closer to meeting your requirements.

The new HP Vectra Portable CS:
- IBM XT compatable
- 640k RAM standard
- RS-232 and parallel ports (not sure if standard or add-on)
- 300/1200/2400 bps internal modem (not sure if standard or add-on)
- 4 expansion slots, but only HP boards will fit
- Has a standard IBM-compatable 3.5" 720k/1.44Mbyte disc drive, 2nd optional
- Optional built-in 20Mbyte hard disc
- Battery power lasts at least 5 hours
- State-of-the-art high-contrast LCD screen
- Larger and heavier than the older HP model
- Competitive price (about $2500 list)
- Full enhanced AT-type keyboard, with dedicated cursor keys (I think)

Gary Quakenbush
HP Fort Collins, Colorado

paulh@hplsla.HP.COM (Paul Hall) (10/18/87)

There is a comparison of some 11 portables in the September 7, 1987 issue
of INFO WORLD.  I've also seen a magazine dedicated to portables on a 
newstand somewhere.  Both would be good sources to check.  

It really is important to figure out how portable you want your computer.
The new Vectra Portable sounds like a wonderful machine, but at 17 pounds,
( please check my numbers, they're from a fragmented memory ) it's more in 
the "trans-portable" range.  The Portable Plus, however, is much lighter 
(11 lbs???).  The Portable Plus will run for about 10 hours on a battery 
charge and you can get MS Word on a ROM cartridge.  The great thing
about having a true word processor in ROM is that you open the case and 
start typing.  There're no discs to load, no program warmup and no delay when
the program reads in overlays ( try Wordstar on a slow floppy system! ).

There was an article on the Portable Plus in the HP Journal a while ago, try
a sales office for a copy.  The people who built that box did an excellent 
job on the battery design.  I'd wager that HP portables are able to get the 
most out of your battery charge and that can be important if you don't want to
be tied to a 110V outlet all day long.

If you're looking for a single mobile computer, the Vectra portable may be the
best.  If you can set up one stationary computer ( with LaserJet & Co. ) and 
one highly portable computer, then a Portable Plus may be the best remote for 
you.


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