[comp.sys.hp] Old HP Conversion Woes

blodtoad@pitt.UUCP (M. Anthony Kapolka 3) (05/09/88)

	Help!  I am faced with the following problem... I am helping
    replace a HP-1000 (running RTE VI I believe) with newer equipment,
    and need to save some binary data (read alot of binary data).  The
    HP has no way of doing such transfer that I am aware of, and only
    a Fortran compiler...

    My thought was to find source code for Kermit in Fortran and thereby
    be able to move this data to MS-DOS machines.  Anybody know of a 
    source (anonymous FTP preferred!) for Kermit in (HP) Fortran?

    Anybody have a better way to do this file transfer?

    Thanks in advance!!

					M. Anthony Kapolka III

					kapolka@vax.cs.pittsburgh.edu
					...{allegra, cadre}!pitt!kapolka
					anthony@pittvms.Bitnet

    Disclaimer: The HP in question is not owned by the CS dept!

mjm@hpqtdla.HP.COM (Murdo McKissock) (05/12/88)

> 	Help!  I am faced with the following problem... I am helping
>     replace a HP-1000 (running RTE VI I believe) with newer equipment,
>     and need to save some binary data (read alot of binary data).  The
>     HP has no way of doing such transfer that I am aware of, and only
>     a Fortran compiler...
> 
>     My thought was to find source code for Kermit in Fortran and thereby
>     be able to move this data to MS-DOS machines.  Anybody know of a 
>     source (anonymous FTP preferred!) for Kermit in (HP) Fortran?

There is a version of Kermit for the HP1000 running RTE-6 or RTE-A.  It's
written in FORTRAN 77 and Assembler.  You can get it from:

KERMIT Distribution
Columbia University Center for Computing Activities
612 West 115th Street
New York, NY 10025

They have an online distribution service (sorry I don't have the details), 
and will send the sources for all known Kermit versions on tape, at a cost.

A better alternative may be to use the RTE utility "TF".  This will write 
tapes compatible with UNIX tar (you need to use a couple of options
when writing files, one to force compatibility with UNIX and one to say
it's a binary file).  Works with standard magnetic tape, also with 
tape cartridges.  You do still have the manuals for the 1000 ... ?

david@hpiacla.HP.COM (David Brunstein) (05/13/88)

>> Help!  I am faced with the following problem... I am helping
>> replace a HP-1000 (running RTE VI I believe) with newer equipment,
>> and need to save some binary data (read alot of binary data).  The
>> HP has no way of doing such transfer that I am aware of, and only
>> a Fortran compiler...

What is your set-up like?  Where is the binary data coming from (a program,
a disc file, etc.)? Where are you trying to transfer it to?  Do you have 
serial (read MUX or ASYNC) boards, network (read HDLC, etc.) boards, an 
HP-IB interface, what?  What exact verison of RTE VI are you running?  
You may be helped if you provide some more information.

			  David Brunstein
			  Hewlett Packard IAC
			  -------------------
			  hplabs!hpda!hpdsla!david

scott@grlab.UUCP (Scott Blachowicz) (05/17/88)

You can use TF to write a tape of binary data, but you need to be aware
of a some things....
   -The CO command option to write tar(1) tapes only converts type 4
    files. The conversion done is to remove the record length
    descriptors that are in the file and stick newlines between all the
    records which can be a problem with binary data files unless you
    want record separators.
   
   -Other files will get put on the tape in the same form that they
    exist on the disc. If you use type 3 files (variable length
    records), the record length descriptors make it to the tape. It's
    not too hard to decode them after tar(1) reads them, though. Since
    there are no record separators, you get a stream of bytes. That is
    frequently what binary data files are anyway.

Scott Blachowicz 
UUCP:    ...!hpubvwa!grlab!scott