singer@XN.LL.MIT.EDU (Matthew R. Singer) (01/22/88)
As per the subject... I am looking for full screen text editor the the HP 3000. PD perferred as its easier than getting someone to spend money on the thing. Suggestions for commercial solutions to this are also welcome. Matt Singer
dennett@kodak.UUCP (Charlie Dennett) (01/24/88)
In article <879@xn.LL.MIT.EDU> singer@XN.LL.MIT.EDU (Matthew R. Singer) writes: >I am looking for full screen text editor the the HP 3000. PD >perferred as its easier than getting someone to spend money on >the thing. Suggestions for commercial solutions to this are >also welcome. I was poking around the other day in the programs that came on the Las Vegas swap tape. There is a full screen editor on the tape. The program file is FSE.PUB.VEGAS. I was not all that impressed with it. If you have TDP, did you realize that it has a screen editor built in? I have it on one of my machines but have not had the time to play with it, yet. If you are on good terms with your HP SE, ask him if he can get you a copy of one that HP uses inhouse. Of course, it won't be supported but it's better than nothing. Now, if HP would only come out of the dark ages and supply a screen editor with their system! -- Charlie Dennett | UUCP: ...!rutgers!rochester!kodak!dennett Eastman Kodak Company | Voice: 716-726-4480 901 Elmgrove Road | Company Mail: Dept 420 Technical Support Services Rochester, NY 14650 | Company DECnet: VXMM01::DENNETT
paul@vixie.UUCP (Paul Vixie Esq) (01/25/88)
In article <1109@kodak.UUCP> dennett@kodak.UUCP (charlie dennett) writes: >[...] <879@xn.LL.MIT.EDU> singer@XN.LL.MIT.EDU (Matthew R. Singer) writes: >>I am looking for full screen text editor the the HP 3000. PD >>perferred as its easier than getting someone to spend money on >>the thing. Suggestions for commercial solutions to this are >>also welcome. I wrote an editor called VUE some years ago. It was an almost-complete emulation of a program by the same name that came from Alpha Microsystems, and I emulated it because it was the only full-screen editor I'd ever seen. It was about 4000 lines of SPL, worked on almost any smart ascii terminal (terminal descriptions were loaded at runtime), and I was selling it for (hold onto your stomachs, now) $1000 a copy. I sold two copies that way. First and last time I ever sold code instead of the hours of time spent writing it, an interesting experience. The code was written for MPE IV on a 512K series II. At 2400 baud, the lack of type-ahead was a great way to make my typing less sloppy :-).. Then I met VI and EMACS. I was embarrassed as hell to have charged for VUE when I saw that MicroEmacs was free and far superior. I considered putting VUE on a CSL tape (?), but that would have meant writing documentation for it, as well as pissing off the two people I'd already sold it to :-). Instead I started to rewrite it in Pascal/3000 and make the key-bindings user definable, as well as making the optimized-terminal-independent-screen-lib a little more optimized and a little more terminal independent, as well as more readable (like, how about some comments, maybe?). UNIX stole me away from all that, and the Series II has subsequently turned to dust, probably taking all my code with it (I know that *I* sure never got a tape of it...) Anybody remember when ^R would make a 64 crash? You can bet that my editor was unpopular after that little episode... It didn't run in Priv Mode, either. Just "non-terminated read mode", which meant that you could get single characters from the keyboard without hitting return after each one... Ah, memories. >If you have TDP, did you realize that it has a screen editor built in? I >have it on one of my machines but have not had the time to play with it, yet. TDP's full-screen editor depends on the block-mode capability of HP terminals. This has several disadvantages -- it lacks word-wrap and other features that the terminal usually doesn't have, there is no backup file in case of power outages (my editor didn't have this, but it could have, and HP terminals can't), and you need an HP terminal (whose keyboards have always depressed me, and whose character attributes are implemented oddly). >Now, if HP would only come out of the dark ages and >supply a screen editor with their system! Get a 9000 and run HP/UX, you'll get emacs and VI. :-) -- Paul A Vixie Esq paul%vixie@uunet.uu.net {uunet,ptsfa,hoptoad}!vixie!paul San Francisco, (415) 647-7023
gstanfld@hpccc.HP.COM (Gill Stanfield) (10/22/88)
HPEDIT, a new product available from HP DMK, is a product-ized version (supported version) of the previously mentioned full- screen editor used within HP. I've switched to HPEDIT from Voodoo, and have found many areas to be improved. Check it out, I think a demo version is available.