cad@msn017.misemi (_syscad_) (03/17/89)
Hi, I was just curious to find out if there are any users of HP's DesignCenter software out on the net. Here at Mitel we make rather extensive use of their Design Capture System, PCDS, DVI, ME10 & ME30 Software. Anyways, I thought it might be interesting to see there is anyone out there to exchange ideas, problems etc. Alan Nakamoto CAE Support Mitel Corporation Sorry if this is not the 'correct' newsgroup but since this software only runs on HP equipment I thought it would get the best exposure here. Comp.lsi.cad seems pretty devoid of chatter these days.
milburn@me10.lbl.gov (John Milburn) (03/20/89)
In article <550@msn017.misemi> cad@msn017.misemi (_syscad_) writes: >Hi, > I was just curious to find out if there are any users of HP's >DesignCenter software out on the net. Here at Mitel we make rather extensive Sure. We are using the full range of DesignCenter Products, including me10, me30, egs, eds, pcds and so on and so on. I run the mechanical side of things, and we now have about 45 me10 seats and two me30 seats. I'm not certain about the electrical side, but they have at least 25 egs stations (using SRM wkstation and HP Pascal). They also have a few each of the pcds and eds stations. I would be very interested in hearing from other sites on the net using these products, as it seems the majority of the customers are not very well connected (Internet-wise), and we have had MAJOR problems getting proper hp-ux and networking support out of these products. Just last month I got an update to me10 which allows it to deal with nfs. This is more than one year since hp's nfs was released. Still can't get off the rfa stuff, though, since I don't have a similar fix for me30 yet. Does anyone out there know whether the unsupported mdd macros for me10 and me30 are available via anonymous ftp from somewhere? If they are not, and there is sufficient interest, I could probably come up with a server and make them available. John Milburn Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory INTERNET: JEMilburn@lbl.gov UUCP: {...!ucbvax!lbl.gov!JEMilburn} DECNet: LBL::JEMilburn SnailMail: 1 Cyclotron Road 46-161 Ma Bell: (415) 486-6969 Berkeley, Ca. 94720
is813cs@pyr.gatech.EDU (Cris Simpson) (03/20/89)
We're running DCS & Hilo on a 319 (Soon to be a 360). We're looking to move beyond EGS on the 9936. How are the ME?0 products? Would you buy them again? Would you choose them over other products on other platforms? Thanks, cris x
cad@msn017.misemi (_syscad_) (03/22/89)
In article <7649@pyr.gatech.EDU>, is813cs@pyr.gatech.EDU (Cris Simpson) writes: > We're running DCS & Hilo on a 319 (Soon to be a 360). We're looking to > move beyond EGS on the 9936. How are the ME?0 products? Would you > buy them again? Would you choose them over other products on other > platforms? DCS and Hilo on a 319 ? You have my condolences. We were talked into purchasing a couple of 319s as low-cost DCS stations. We purchased them with 8 Megs of memory and 132 Mb. disks. However, we found them to be exceedingly slow. Further, after loading in DCS and a basic UNIX core we only had 3 Mb. of disk space remaining. Needless to say, we only run DCS on 350s. (i'm anxious to see how they'll run on 340s) In response to your other query, I must confess that I mainly deal with HP's EE software and have only played with ME10 a couple of times. Unlike DCS, it runs great on a 319. Coming from a AutoCAD environment, I would argue that ME10 is far better. It's user interface and command structure are far slicker and it seems far more flexible. (Dealing only with 2-D drawings of course.) Unfortunately, I have no working experience with ME30 but the mechanical engineers that work with it seem to like it alot. The only major complaint that I hear consistantly is the time it takes to translate a 2-D view to a 3-D which seems to take anywhere from 2-8 hours on a 350. Alan Nakamoto CAE Support Mitel Corporation
al@cs.strath.ac.uk (Alan Lorimer) (03/30/89)
In article <634@msn017.misemi> cad@msn017.misemi (_syscad_) writes: >In article <7649@pyr.gatech.EDU>, is813cs@pyr.gatech.EDU (Cris Simpson) writes: >> We're running DCS & Hilo on a 319 (Soon to be a 360). We're looking to >> move beyond EGS on the 9936. How are the ME?0 products? Would you >> buy them again? Would you choose them over other products on other >> platforms? > > DCS and Hilo on a 319 ? You have my condolences. We were talked into Are you running DCS through the design system manager and Windows/9000? This turns a relatively fast product into something which is so hopelessly slow it is almost unusable. We have DCS, DVI and HILO (and PCDS) running on a 9000/350, and it's quite useable. However the 350 is also the cluster server for a further 9 318s, which can and do all run teamwork while some poor *** is trying to use DCS. The system performance for the DCS site in these circumstances is lousy. Performance under DCS can be improved no end however simply by getting rid of dsm and the windows 9000 interface and executing /usr/hp74200/lib/dcs/dcs.exe directly. The performance improves no end, and even gives acceptable results on a diskless 318. Hope this helps, Alan. -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Alan G. Lorimer, Strathclyde University, 26 Richmond Street, Glasgow G1 1XH. UUCP: ...!uunet!mcvax!ukc!strath-cs!al DARPA: al%cs.strath.ac.uk@ucl-cs JANET: al@uk.ac.strath.cs