fva@oce-rd1.oce.nl (Frans van Aken) (10/05/89)
Can anyone out there tell me if there is a version of the performance analysis tool 'monitor' Build on 6.5 HP-UX? We had one for 6.2 but it does not work well on 6.5 systems. Our local HP people don't have it. If anyone has it please send me a encoded/compressed copy of it via email, or tell me another way to get my hands on it. Thanks in advance. Frans van Aken org. Oce Nederland B.V. email fva@oce.nl Phone +3177593777 This note does not necessarily represent the position of Oce-Nederland B.V. Therefore no liability or responsibility for whatever will be accepted.
edwin@praxis.cs.ruu.nl (Edwin Kremer) (10/06/89)
In article <1306@oce-rd1.oce.nl> fva@oce-rd1.oce.nl (Frans van Aken) writes: > Can anyone out there tell me if there is a version of the > performance analysis tool 'monitor' Build on 6.5 HP-UX? > We had one for 6.2 but it does not work well on 6.5 systems. > Our local HP people don't have it. > If anyone has it please send me a encoded/compressed copy of > it via email, or tell me another way to get my hands on it. Me too, please. We upgraded to HP-UX on our HP9000/370 (with 30 diskless clients) and very soon I realized that I couldn't trust the figures presented by "monitor" any more. Thanks in advance, --[ Edwin ]-- -- Edwin Kremer, Department of Computer Science, University of Utrecht Padualaan 14, P.O. Box 80.089, 3508 TB Utrecht, The Netherlands Phone : +31 - 30 - 534104 | Telefax: +31 - 30 - 513791 E-Mail: edwin@cs.ruu.nl | UUCP to: ...!hp4nl!ruuinf!edwin
ton@gufalet.UUCP (Ton Roovers) (10/06/89)
In article <1306@oce-rd1.oce.nl> fva@oce-rd4.UUCP (Frans van Aken) writes: >Can anyone out there tell me if there is a version of the >performance analysis tool 'monitor' Build on 6.5 HP-UX? >If anyone has it please send me a encoded/compressed copy of >it via email, or tell me another way to get my hands on it. I'm interested too, and I would like to get 'monitor' for 3.1 HP-UX too! -- Ton Roovers systems manager _______________________________________________________________________________ Faculty of Arts and Letters, Groningen University ton@gufalet.UUCP PO Box 716, NL 9700 AS Groningen, The Netherlands
wayne@dsndata.uucp (Wayne Schlitt) (10/07/89)
In article <1663@ruuinf.cs.ruu.nl> edwin@praxis.cs.ruu.nl (Edwin Kremer) writes > In article <1306@oce-rd1.oce.nl> fva@oce-rd1.oce.nl (Frans van Aken) writes: > > Can anyone out there tell me if there is a version of the > > performance analysis tool 'monitor' Build on 6.5 HP-UX? > Me too, please. yes, there is a monitor program for 6.5 hp-ux. we have one, but we had to ask our SE for it. our SE said that we should have gotten in the standard release and it should have been in the /usr/contrib/bin directory, but it wasnt there. i have seen several other references to it being in /usr/contrib/bin so i am not sure if i just missed something, or what. i find the monitor program to be a very valuable tool and it seems that other people do to. is there any reason why it _isnt_ included in the standard releases? -wayne
edwin@praxis.cs.ruu.nl (Edwin Kremer) (10/09/89)
In article <WAYNE.89Oct6132304@dsndata.uucp> wayne@dsndata.uucp (Wayne Schlitt) writes: > yes, there is a monitor program for 6.5 hp-ux. we have one, but we > had to ask our SE for it. our SE said that we should have gotten in > the standard release and it should have been in the /usr/contrib/bin > directory, but it wasnt there. i have seen several other references > to it being in /usr/contrib/bin so i am not sure if i just missed > something, or what. Well, if you missed it, I missed it too... I can assure you that we've absolutely *nothing* in /usr/contrib/bin. (We're running HP-UX 6.5 on a HP9000/370 (with a bunch of 9000/340 workstations) Besides, I asked HP last Friday and they promised to send me a tape with a 6.5 version of "monitor" ... --[ Edwin ]-- -- Edwin Kremer, Department of Computer Science, University of Utrecht Padualaan 14, P.O. Box 80.089, 3508 TB Utrecht, The Netherlands Phone : +31 - 30 - 534104 | Telefax: +31 - 30 - 513791 E-Mail: edwin@cs.ruu.nl | UUCP to: ...!hp4nl!ruuinf!edwin
rodean@hpfcdc.HP.COM (Bruce Rodean) (10/09/89)
In article <1306@oce-rd1.oce.nl> fva@oce-rd1.oce.nl (Frans van Aken) writes: > Can anyone out there tell me if there is a version of the > performance analysis tool 'monitor' Build on 6.5 HP-UX? > We had one for 6.2 but it does not work well on 6.5 systems. > Our local HP people don't have it. There is a version of monitor for the 6.5 release, as there is for each and every release. Your SE should have it and can make it available. Please contact him/her for a copy. I don't understand why the "local HP people don't have it". It was certainly sent to them on the SE distribution. Bruce Rodean rodean%hpfclg@hplabs.HP.COM
tomg@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Thomas J. Gilg) (10/10/89)
>>> Can anyone out there tell me if there is a version of the >>> performance analysis tool 'monitor' Build on 6.5 HP-UX? >> Me too, please. > yes, there is a monitor program for 6.5 hp-ux. we have one, but we > had to ask our SE for it. our SE said that we should have gotten in > the standard release and it should have been in the /usr/contrib/bin > directory, but it wasnt there. i have seen several other references > to it being in /usr/contrib/bin so i am not sure if i just missed > something, or what. I agree, monitor is VERY valuable. Near as I can tell (not an official response here), monitor is NOT distributed as part of the standard HP-UX product. After scanning the entire 7.0 HP-UX, I didn't see one. Around here, I've always had to compile copies using our source license. I would assume SE's do the same thing. I suspect `monitor` only works "perfectly" when compiled on the machine its to be used for, and maybe thats why a single /usr/contrib/bin/monitor copy isn't possible. Some of the things monitor can provide seem awfully kernel/system dependent. Anyone else have better answers ? Thomas Gilg tomg@cv.hp.com
dave@pmafire.UUCP (Dave Remien) (10/10/89)
In article <WAYNE.89Oct6132304@dsndata.uucp> wayne@dsndata.uucp (Wayne Schlitt) writes:
+i find the monitor program to be a very valuable tool and it seems
+that other people do to. is there any reason why it _isnt_ included
+in the standard releases?
'Cause it's officially "unsupported", but pretty freely available.
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"In history, Patty, before they changed the water...." Theater)belkin@teecs.UUCP (Hershel Belkin) (10/10/89)
I think it's obvious that many HP users find the monitor program extremely valuable. I have managed to obtain each version of it (as required) from our early use of the 9000/550 to our current 825 without too much difficulty. That it is unsupported has never bothered me (although about 3 years ago our local -- now dormant -- HP9000 user group submitted a group request to have it supported). What _is_ bothersome is having to pester our SE to get it. Many times it is not readily available to the SE for one reason or another, so he has to track down the proper version, get it put on a tape, and send it to me. I assume this same situation repeats itself _many_ times with each major HP-UX release. Surely the wasted SE time and user frustration warrant putting monitor in the contrib/bin directory on each new release!? A README file clearly warning that it is unsupported -- as would anything in /usr/contrib/bin be unsupported -- should suffice to protect HP from a barrage of technical questions about it... This is just one minor source of frustration associated with each major upgrade of HP-UX (or hardware system). If HP is _really_ interested in improving things (and it sure looks like they are), how about a policy change with regard to monitor? Let's see it in release 7!!
algoss@hpubmaa.HP.COM (Al Gosselin) (10/10/89)
I had occasion to go looking for it recently when a customer had the same sort of problem you had(not working well!) It is shipped on the SE Update tapes in the KTOOLS partition. This is the third time I have shipped monitor to this customer. I now know why we in general don't give this out, it is a support nightmare! Algoss
icsu6000@caesar.cs.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen) (10/11/89)
In article <101950055@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com> tomg@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Thomas J. Gilg) writes: > >>>> Can anyone out there tell me if there is a version of the >>>> performance analysis tool 'monitor' Build on 6.5 HP-UX? > >>> Me too, please. > >> yes, there is a monitor program for 6.5 hp-ux. we have one, but we >I agree, monitor is VERY valuable. Near as I can tell (not an official >response here), monitor is NOT distributed as part of the standard >HP-UX product. After scanning the entire 7.0 HP-UX, I didn't see one. > >I would assume SE's do the same thing. I suspect `monitor` only works >"perfectly" when compiled on the machine its to be used for, and maybe >Some of the things monitor can provide seem awfully kernel/system >dependent. The only thing I've noticed about monitor being 'system' dependent is it doesn't work on our 310's no matter what. (Not that I think anybody in their right mind should use a 310... :-) I've taken it and run it on a variety of configurations of a 350 and 330's, and it works like a champ. (Except when some lunkhead (who shall remain nameless) recompiled the kernel, and then didn't reboot, so monitor was getting some garbage when trying to read kernel memory). No matter what, monitor is a great program, should become supported software, and in a perfect world, source should be freely available, so those of us who aren't in the know, can find all the great tricks this program must use. On a related matter... Does anybody know how to make monitor under 6.0 display more than 4 disks in the I and G options? I have a disk entirely devoted to swapping, and it always shows up first, even though it's rarely used.
dave@pmafire.UUCP (Dave Remien) (10/13/89)
In article <101950055@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com> tomg@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Thomas J. Gilg) writes: >Around here, I've always had to compile copies using our source license. >I would assume SE's do the same thing. I suspect `monitor` only works >"perfectly" when compiled on the machine its to be used for, and maybe >thats why a single /usr/contrib/bin/monitor copy isn't possible. >Some of the things monitor can provide seem awfully kernel/system >dependent. Our SE gets it from the contrib tape, as a monitor.o, which is then linked. It'll usually tell you if it won't work with some new rev of your OS. If you've got monitor for an 800, you'll notice that the older monitor (from 2.1 land I think) works with the 3.0 and 3.1 kernels, but the process (t) screen is often confused about the command line for a given process. (It's amusing to see user root followed by =+<>"~$@#$% or so). Haven't seen a later monitor for the 800. Haven't seen a contrib tape for it either, now that I think about it. Wasn't the contrib tape for 800's supposed to be out about a year ago? Hmm, HP? -- Dave Remien - WINCO Computer Eng. Group -{uunet | bigtex}!pmafire!dave- I certainly, absolutely, positively, don't speak for Westinghouse. And I don't think I want to. "Dave Barry for President"