[comp.sys.hp] Internet Domain Server? X11R3? TWM? 7.0? Anon FTP?

kam@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Keith Marchington) (11/10/89)

Dan Greening write:

[Stuff I can't answer deleted]

> Is there a HP-blessed version of X11R3 available for 6.5?  I built a copy
> of X11R3 from expo.lcs.mit.edu.  Unfortunately, my window managers appear
> to crash regularly.  :-(  It would be nice to get copies of the HP widget
> set, too.

Due to an rather unfortunate timing problem between the release of our
6.5 HP-UX and MIT's X11R3, we were unable to safely include the R3
features in 6.5.  Our 7.0 system will be an full R3 server.  It is
scheduled to begin shipping VERY soon.  (Check with your local office
for specific dates.)

> A few people here enjoy using TWM, Tom LaStrange's window manager.  I
> know that he made a number of improvements.  Does anyone at HP have 
> responsibility for TWM?  I tried to call Tom LaStrange in Ft. Collins, 
> but the front desk thought he might not still be working there.  If 
> there is a copy to be had, please let us know.

Tom now works for Soulborne[sp?].  You might try to contact him there
in Longmont, CO.  No, we do not support Tom's window manager because
we have our own WM, hpwm (HP's window manager) and its follow-on, mwm
(Motif window manager.)  

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> Dan Greening       | NY 914-789-7861 | 14 Foster Court
> dgreen@cs.ucla.edu | CA 213-825-2266 | Croton-on-Hudson, NY 10598-0704

Hope this helps.

Keith Marchington
HP 
Corvallis, OR

tai@hpiag0.IAG.HP.COM (Tai Jin) (11/13/89)

/ hpiag0:comp.sys.hp / dgreen@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Dan R. Greening) /  4:37 pm  Nov  8, 1989 /
And finally, does HP have an anonymous FTP site for public domain HP
software?  If not, it would be a good idea.  It would help promote the
use of HPs, and relieve the burden on HP support people.  For example,
another person reported wanting to build tex/latex.  I'm doing the same
thing.  It takes forever, consumes lots of CPU time, and lots of my
time.  :-( grump.

Dan Greening       | NY 914-789-7861 | 14 Foster Court
dgreen@cs.ucla.edu | CA 213-825-2266 | Croton-on-Hudson, NY 10598-0704
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Contact Chris Maio (chris@columbia.edu).  I've given him some unsupported
software to seed an HP contributed software archive.

If anyone out there has HP-UX software to contribute, please notify Chris.

...tai

wunder@hp-ses.SDE.HP.COM (Walter Underwood) (11/14/89)

   Is there a version of the Internet name daemon for HPUX 6.5?  And is
   there a collection of the appropriate executables (telnet, rlogin, ftp, 
   sendmail, ...) that use the Internet name resolver for 6.5?

There may be some contrib versions around for 6.5, but 7.0 has
supported versions of all that.  I know that we are using name servers
and that they work great, I just don't know whether someone has
wrapped a contrib package.

   And finally, does HP have an anonymous FTP site for public domain HP
   software?

We are working on it.  In order to do it without using the NSFNET for
commercial purposes, we need to have a non-commercial third party keep
the archive.  We do want to share all the PD stuff that we use
internally, but we want to play by the rules, too.

wunder

ckw@hpcupt1.HP.COM (Chick Webb) (11/15/89)

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>Will release 7.0 require a complete tape backup and restoration of the 
>system? If there is any way to avoid this, I will get down on my knees 
>and beg.  It takes about 8 hours to upgrade 24 machines via a network.  
>It takes several days of drudgery to upgrade 24 machines by tape.
>If 7.0 requires a complete tape backup, I will not bother upgrading the
>remaining machines to 6.5, and just wait for 7.0.

To my knowledge, which goes further back than I'd care to admit, we've
never *required* a complete backup and restore in order to update from
one version of HP-UX to another.  The 7.0 release is no exception, and
it is possible to update directly from 6.5.  Regardless of that there
may be a problem in your case, since we only support upgrading to 7.0
from 6.5.  So, even though 7.0 will be shipping soon, it looks like
you'll have to update all the machines to get there.

That's the bad news.  The good news is that 7.0 will allow you to update
a single system from tapes, set it up as a server for network-based
updates, then update the rest via the network.  Since simultaneous
updates of multiple systems from the same "netdist" server are possible,
this should save you a considerable amount of time.  This capability has
been used extensively within HP during the 7.0 development phase, and it
really is wonderful.

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>Dan Greening       | NY 914-789-7861 | 14 Foster Court

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