[comp.sys.hp] Status of TCP/IP, ftp, etc. on 500 series machines

bb@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Brian Bartholomew) (01/11/90)

Very recently, I was hired to SysAdmin an HP 9000 model 500 for one
of our undergraduate labs.  We are running HP-UX version 5.21.  I do
not know if this is current for these machines (as I see mention of
versions 6.x and 7.x for the 300-type machines), or even if HP has
obsoleted this hardware; as you can tell, speaking with an HP rep
is high on my list of things to do.  However, my first priority is to
see if we can get some of the TCP/IP services, so as to better connect
with the rest of the campus.  First and foremost is ftp, and second is
a non-UUCP mailer that understands domains.  I expect other things
will fall in line from there.  Within a few months, we should be
getting in several HP 9000/300 machines, which I understand already
have all of this implimented; it would be desirable connect to them
in a high-speed fashion as well.  To this end, I have perpared the
following list of questions; if someone in the know could spend a
little time to answer them, I would be eternally grateful.  Please
respond to the host in the signature, as the UUCP mail on the HP is
still "interesting."


	 1.  Have the 500 series computers been declared obsolete
	     by HP?

	 2.  What is the most current version of the OS?  Can I
	     get in for cheap?  Will it fix any of these problems?

	 3.  I have been told that we have an "ethernet card" and
	     "an ethernet kernal driver" for the 500, courtesy of HP.
	     What is the official HP idea of how to use these things?

	 4.  Is there an HP version of the TCP/IP and family software
	     that I seek?  What is the price?

	 5.  Is there a 3rd party version of the TCP/IP and family
	     software?  How much?  By who?

	 6.  Is there a public-domain, or otherwise free version of
	     TCP/IP, that is usable without extensive rework?  I am
	     looking for a turnkey solution, not a senior project.


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rjn@hpfcso.HP.COM (Bob Niland) (01/12/90)

re: > I was hired to SysAdmin an HP 9000 model 500 ...

>  1.  Have the 500 series computers been declared obsolete
>      by HP?

Production was discontinued in 1989.  The hardware will remain on service
life for 10 years.  Accessories and software should be available through
1990.


>  2.  What is the most current version of the OS?  Can I
>      get in for cheap?  Will it fix any of these problems?

HP-UX 5.3.  To my knowledge, no further releases are planned.  Without
knowing the number of users and the specific SPU model number, I can't quote
an exact price.  Here is a ballpark figure (which does not include your
institution's educational discount):

 97089C        Model 550/560 16-user HP-UX 5.3        $5250.00
   Option 001  Upgrade discount                       -2625.00
   Option 022  Software on cartridge tape                 0.00

   
>  3.  I have been told that we have an "ethernet card" and
>      "an ethernet kernal driver" for the 500, courtesy of HP.
>      What is the official HP idea of how to use these things?

Probably a 27125A or 27125B LAN card.  It can connect to Ethernet 1.0 or
IEEE 802.3 nets, via 10BASE5 thickMAU or 10BASE2 thinMAU.  The HP network
software ("NS") for the Series 500 essentially only talks to other HP
systems.  ARPA/Berkeley services are available from a third party, the
Wollongong Group.  I have no ordering or pricing information.

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
Bob Niland      rjn%hpfcrjn@hplabs.HP.COM             3404 East Harmony Road
                UUCP: [hplabs|hpfcse]!hpfcla!rjn      Ft Collins CO 80525-9599

wunder@hp-ses.SDE.HP.COM (Walter Underwood) (01/13/90)

   Very recently, I was hired to SysAdmin an HP 9000 model 500 for one
   of our undergraduate labs. ...  Within a few months, we should be
   getting in several HP 9000/300 machines, which I understand already
   have all of this implimented; it would be desirable connect to them
   in a high-speed fashion as well.

The 9000/500s are not all that fast compared to today's systems (the
current s300 machines, for example).  It will probably be less work to
just move everyone to the new 300s and leave the 500 behind.

wunder

human@hpindda.HP.COM (Aaron Schuman) (01/14/90)

Bob>	ARPA/Berkeley services are available from a third party, the
Bob>	Wollongong Group.  I have no ordering or pricing information.

I don't have ordering or pricing info either, but I do have a Palo Alto
phone book, which is something not every Floridian keeps on his desk:

The Wollongong Group, 1129 San Antonio Road, Palo Alto, CA 415-962-7100