[comp.sys.hp] problem loggin in with HP VUE, on HP/apollo Series 400

longstre@erb1.engr.wisc.edu (Jon C. Longstreth) (10/20/90)

Can someone out there help me?
We have a new HP/apollo workstation Series 400
Running a realy nifty window manager.  Unfortunately when we try
to log in it gives us the following error and goes back to the
login screen.


vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
The session manager is unable to start the HP VUE
messaging system.

For details on how to correct the problem, contact 
your system administrator, or refer to the HP VUE
System Administration Manual.

To start a single-window session, start the
Fail-sage Session from the login screen Option menu.

To return to the login screen, click [OK].
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(this is all in a window)

Unfortunatly we did not get an updated set of manuals and 
the old manuals do not mention anything about HP VUE (of course).

While we wait for our new manuals it would be nice if we could set up
these new machines so that people could log into them.

Can someone out there give me a clue as to what the problem is?
or tell me which man page to look at or something.

Thanks.

If you have an answer
you can mail me at 
longstre@serv0.cae.wisc.edu 
or
longstre@erb1.engr.wisc.edu

____________________________________________________________
as a side note since out mailer did not get mail through to
him I would like to thank
Bob Niland at rjn@hpfcso.fc.hp.com  for previous help with out
laser printer and hp parallel port set up.

bcripe@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Brian E. Cripe) (10/23/90)

> We have a new HP/apollo workstation Series 400
> Running a realy nifty window manager.  Unfortunately when we try
> to log in it gives us the following error and goes back to the
> login screen.
> 
> vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
> The session manager is unable to start the HP VUE
> messaging system.
> ...

VUE uses the Broadcast Message Server (BMS) first released with
the Softbench product and now also included with VUE.  To confirm
that it has been installed correctly, look for the executable 
file "/usr/softbench/bin/softmsgsrv" and the initfile
"/usr/softbench/config/softinit".  If either is missing or has
suspicious permissions, try reinstalling the BMS fileset.

The second (more likely) thing to check is your networking configuration.
The BMS uses internet sockets for communication, so even on a standalone
system you need to have networking configured.  If you can't do a 
"ping `hostname`" successfully, then your networking configuration
needs fixed.

	Brian Cripe
	Hewlett-Packard, ITO

baryeka@hpcc01.HP.COM (Jarek Baryeka) (10/24/90)

I have a similar problem - I am still able to use the VUE environment
as a root though. All other users go back to the login screen with the
message you mention.

I printed the manuals last week but a quick scan in my free time could
not help me to solve the problem.

----
Jarek Baryeka (jinx@hpgva1.hp.com)

toad@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Tom Trent) (10/25/90)

I also find that I can't start the message server until I add these
two lines to the file /usr/adm/inetd.sec:

spc		allow	127.0.0.1 15.2.208.15 
mserve		allow	127.0.0.1 15.2.208.15


I am '15.2.208.15'.  I have no idea what '127.0.0.1' is about.


Tom Trent                |  Ain't noone's opinion but by own.
toad@hpdml14.boi.hp.com  | 

eric@hpfcda.HP.COM (Eric Flink) (10/26/90)

> The session manager is unable to start the HP VUE
> messaging system.

Did you by chance change your hostname?  The customize script for the BMS
(Broadcast Message Server) used by VUE creates entries in the file
/usr/adm/inetd.sec which allow only the local system to communicate with
the BMS processes (for security).

If you change your hostname, you also need to edit this file.

Hope this helps,

Eric Flink
Hewlett-Packard Company

bcripe@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Brian E. Cripe) (10/30/90)

> I also find that I can't start the message server until I add these
> two lines to the file /usr/adm/inetd.sec:
> 
> spc		allow	127.0.0.1 15.2.208.15 
> mserve	allow	127.0.0.1 15.2.208.15

In addition to your actual address (15.2.208.15) you can also use
hostnames and wildcard characters.  Do a "man inetd.sec" to learn
the details.

When you install VUE, this file is automatically edited and your
hostname is listed.  If you subsequently change your hostname then
you have to manually reedit this file.

> I am '15.2.208.15'.  I have no idea what '127.0.0.1' is about.

127.0.0.1 is the loopback address.  This is the address that is
used for socket connections if the machine isn't hooked to a network.

	Brian Cripe
	Hewlett-Packard