brantley@cerritos.edu (01/19/91)
My wife works in a HP-9000 environment and has been bugging me about getting information about e-mail on HP machines. Can anybody answer the following questions? What e-mail services are offered on the HP-9000? Is e-mail software bundled with the operating system? (or is it a separate product requiring a separate purchase?) What are the product names? What does HP e-mail software cost? How good is the HP e-mail services? Are there any third-party alternatives to HP e-mail? What about connections to InterNet? UUCP? -- Douglas Brantley, Cerritos College, 11110 E. Alondra Blvd, Norwalk, CA 90650 Voice: 213-860-2451 ext 219, InterNet: BRANTLEY@CERRITOS.EDU
darrylo@hpnmdla.HP.COM (Darryl Okahata) (01/22/91)
In comp.sys.hp, rjn@hpfcso.HP.COM (Bob Niland) writes: > > What about connections to InterNet? UUCP? > > I'm told that HP's internal internet is the largest private TCP/IP network > in the world, and is connected to "the" Internet (as are many of our > customers). We only use UUCP anymore where we can't justify a CISCO box or I wasn't aware of the size magnitude of HP's internal internet, until I did a: grep '^15' /etc/hosts | sort | uniq | wc (HP's IP addresses start with "15".) There are over 39,000 (thirty-nine *thousand*) hosts. However, some of these are PC's connected to the lan. -- Darryl Okahata UUCP: {hplabs!, hpcea!, hpfcla!} hpnmd!darrylo Internet: darrylo%hpnmd@hp-sde.sde.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion or policy of Hewlett-Packard or of the little green men that have been following him all day.
garys@hpfcso.HP.COM (Gary Stringham) (01/23/91)
> grep '^15' /etc/hosts | sort | uniq | wc > There are over 39,000 (thirty-nine *thousand*) hosts. However, > some of these are PC's connected to the lan. Not all of HP's machines are listed in the /etc/hosts file. We have some that we use in manufacturing that we have not put in /etc/hosts for one reason or another but are accessable by a few machines that do know about them. Gary "telnet to hpa, then to hpb, then to hpc for the data." Stringham
sartin@hplabsz.HP.COM (Rob Sartin) (01/23/91)
>Not all of HP's machines are listed in the /etc/hosts file. We have >some that we use in manufacturing that we have not put in /etc/hosts for Not only that, but we do use our nameservers. Not everyone within HP has upgraded and we still produce an internal /etc/hosts file for machines running versions of OSes without nameserver support or not using nameservers for other reasons. Disclaimers: If HP had a net.spokesperson, it wouldn't be me. I don't have anything to do (anymore) with our nameservers or /etc/hosts. Rob
cricket@hpcc01.HP.COM (Cricket Liu) (01/23/91)
> I wasn't aware of the size magnitude of HP's internal internet, > until I did a: > grep '^15' /etc/hosts | sort | uniq | wc > (HP's IP addresses start with "15".) > There are over 39,000 (thirty-nine *thousand*) hosts. However, > some of these are PC's connected to the lan. Mmm, does this mean that all 39,000 hosts have 39,000 entries in their /etc/hosts files? I thought that was what nameservers were invented for..;-) That's right. That's why we have what I believe is the broadest second- level namespace on the ARPA Internet. And, admittedly, some pretty large host tables. cricket hostmaster@hp.com / NIC CL142
pearmana@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk (Andy Pearman) (01/24/91)
In article <7370286@hpfcso.HP.COM> rjn@hpfcso.HP.COM (Bob Niland) writes: >I'm told that HP's internal internet is the largest private TCP/IP network >in the world, and is connected to "the" Internet (as are many of our >customers). We only use UUCP anymore where we can't justify a CISCO box or >X.25 connection. With SLIP coming along, UUCP is apt to cease being used >altogether, although we will continue to supply and support it. > What's SLIP ??????? Andy -- Andy Pearman, Computer Dept, Philips Research Labs, Redhill, Surrey, England. pearmana@prl.philips.co.uk
wwtaroli@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Bill Taroli) (01/25/91)
In article <1991Jan23.195252.19378@Neon.Stanford.EDU> ramani@CS.Stanford.EDU (Ramani Pichumani) writes: >Apparently the "/26" is not needed anymore - the HP mail relay >apparently resolves it. Well, of course, a problem would arise if the name you used was ambiguous to the system. Does anyone know what the gateway does if this situation occurs? Is it possible that a server will become available so that names can be resolved similarly to the method used when entering addresses in an HP Desk message? >Interestingly enough, when I received a reply from him, his return >address was listed as: > > a_j_o_brien%26@hp6650.desk.hp.com Yes, the HP Desk system uses sublocation codes whenever possible... so it makes sense that this would occur. >For the sake of completeness, I was told that my address from the >perspective of HP Desk is as follows: > > ramani@patience.stanford.edu /HPUNIX/UX Not completely true. I know that we would have had to write such an address as: ramani (patience.stanford.edu) /HP1900/UX HPUNIX is a location code for HP Internet sites. HP1900 is used for non-HP sites. It is an interesting note, also, that any message received by someone on HP Desk from the outside would has a part inserted at the top stating this fact. (Isn't that a bit of a waste of bandwidth?) -- ______ Bill Taroli -- Syracuse University | "The only thing necessary for \ / | the triumph of evil is for \ / Internet: wwtaroli@rodan.acs.syr.edu | good men to do nothing." \/ BITNET: wwtaroli@sunrise.acs.syr.edu | -- Edmund Burke
hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) (01/26/91)
Since all the replies to this simple query got off into the size of HP-s /etc/hosts file, here is another reply from a user: HP-UX provides three e-mail programs: mail mailx elm These, together with sendmail (provided you have TCP/IP access) will connect you to other users on the machine, the local net, or the outside world (it takes some configuring you sendmail.cf). Ideally you would have a nameserver to query for IP addresses, and perhaps another machine which connects to the internet (I use one of the campus machines, except for a few selected sites, to which SMTP connects directly, an uunet.uu.net for ! addresses). In addition to the three mailers provided by HP I find MH-mail (available via ftp from another machine on this campus) much more convenient, particularly since it interfaces with gnuemacs and/or xmh. Hope this sheds a different light on the question. Hardy Mayer ----****---- Professor Meinhard E. Mayer Department of Physics University of California Irvine, CA, 92717 USA