[comp.sys.hp] HP82000 and HP-Basic on remote displays

moore@srl.mew.mei.co.jp (W. Phillip Moore) (03/18/91)

We have an HP9000-300, HP-UX 7.0, and would like to be able to display the
above two clients on X11 displays other than the console (Sun's, running
MIT-X11R4, Patchlevel 18).  Unfortunately, it is not as simple as I had
hoped.

HP82000 will only display on the HP console, and only if I run HP's
installed version of X11R3.  I also have X11R4 compiled for the HP (and
installed entirely seperate from the HP X11), but hp82000 will not start up
when using this server.  The manual says that remote display is possible,
but I am suspicious that this may only be true of the remote server is
another HP running the HP R3 default server.  Is this so??

HP-BASIC required the font hp8.8x16, which I simply aliased to 8x16.
However, is still complains about a "Starbase Error", whatever that is.
Also, when displaying HP-BASIC on a Sun server, the characters are echoed
incorrectly.  For example, typing "quit", echoes "W346" to the display.
The rest of the display looks normal, except that the font is slightly
different (of course).

I can live with running HP's R3 server on the HP console (all of the other
R4 clients display fine), but I would like to be able to display on remote
servers, so that the HP-BASIC users can work simulataneously with the
hp82000 users.  Is there a solution to the above problems that I have
missed in the manuals??

RTFM's are welcome -- I have looked, but found nothing helpful so far.

Thanks in advance.

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steve-t@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Steve Taylor) (03/29/91)

I had hoped someone who knows more about this than I do would respond,
but since it's been a while, I'll take a stab at part of this.  I'm not
involved with this software directly, so take this with a grain of salt.

In /comp.sys.hp/ moore@srl.mew.mei.co.jp (W. Phillip Moore) // writes:
| We have an HP9000-300, HP-UX 7.0, and would like to be able to display the
| above two clients on X11 displays other than the console (Sun's, running
| ..
| HP-BASIC required the font hp8.8x16, which I simply aliased to 8x16.
| However, is still complains about a "Starbase Error", whatever that is.

Starbase is the graphics package for HP-UX machines (the one that knows all
about the hardware).  Since HP-BASIC is a port of the HP-BASIC standalone
system, some parts of it are closely tied to HP graphics hardware features.
Even when running on X, Starbase calls are used to support some of those
features.  Since your display machine is not running Starbase, these calls
would fail.

| Also, when displaying HP-BASIC on a Sun server, the characters are echoed
| incorrectly.  For example, typing "quit", echoes "W346" to the display.
| The rest of the display looks normal, except that the font is slightly
| different (of course).

I think the problem here is in the keyboard routines in HP-BASIC, rather than
the display routines.  HP-BASIC standalone was closely tied to the HP keyboard
layout, and I believe the initial implementation on HP-UX still takes keycodes
(keyboard matrix locations) rather than character codes.  It's extremely
unlikely that what you get from another vendor's keyboard would match these
values ... hence the problem.

| Is there a solution to the above problems that I have missed in the manuals??

I don't think so.  I think the folks who do HP-BASIC are aware of these
problems, but I don't know what they have in the works.  Consider all of
my comments to be rumor and hearsay.

| Thanks in advance.

Sorry I don't have a solution to offer.
						Regards, Steve taylor

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