irf@kuling.UUCP (Bo Thide') (03/30/91)
On popular demand here is a follow-up on my eralier posting with
individual SPECmark ratings for the HP Apollo 9000/700 Snake family.
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HP9000/730 46.5 55.2 50.3 52.6 60.9 64.0 73.7 273.3 107.0 67.4
HP9000/720 35.2 42.5 36.1 40.6 46.9 48.6 58.0 210.0 81.4 52.9
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In John D. McCalpin's (mccalpin@perelandra.cms.udel.edu) terms the 264
MB/sec bus speed gives the 720 a "Streaming MFLOPS" rating of 11.
Here's John's table from his comp.benchmarks posting (I let John put in
the correct Snake figures; an update would be welcome, John!)
Performance Summary Table - LINPACK
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MFLOPS MFLOPS MFLOPS MFLOPS Price MFLOPS/Million$
System Peak Max Lnpk Stream $10**6 Max Stream
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IBM 550 82 62 27 12 0.13 477 92
MIPS RC6280 24 16 10 8 0.20 80 40
IBM 320 40 29 9 6 <0.02 1450 300
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Convex C-210 50 44 17 9 ~0.5 88 18
Convex C-240 200 166 26 36 ~1.6 104 23
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Cray Y/MP-1 333 324 25 150 ~3.0 108 50
Cray Y/MP-8 2664 2144 275 1200 ~16.0 134 75
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1xIBM 3090E VF 116 71 13 11 ~3.0 24 4
2xIBM 3090E VF 232 141 26* 22 ~5.0 28 4
3xIBM 3090E VF 348 210 39* 33 ~7.0 30 5
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SGI 4D/310 10 8 6 3
SGI 4D/380 80 52 48* 3 ~0.20 260 15
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Stardent 3010 32 25 10 6
Stardent 3040 128 77 12 11 ~0.25 308 44
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IBM 320 40 29 9 6 <0.02 1450 300
8x IBM 320 320 232* 72* 48 0.11 1450* 300
16x IBM 320 640 464* 144* 96 0.21 1450* 300
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(*) indicates extrapolated figures.
Here's another comparison table:
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The HP 720: How It Stacks Up
COMPANY/PRODUCT PRICE MIPS SPEC Price Per Price Per
marks MIPS SPECmark
Hewlett-Packard/ $12,000 57 55.5 $211 $216
HP 9000 Model 720
IBM/ $9,725 29.5 24.6 $330 $395
RISC System/6000
Model 320
Digital Equipment/ $12,500 27.3 19.9 $458 $628
DECstation 5000
Model 200 MX
Sun Microsystems/ $15,000 28.5 21 $526 $714
SPARCstation 2
Units include monochrome monitors and no disks,
except for IBM 320, which has a 120-Mbyte disk
Sources: "HP Apollo 9000 Series 700 Performance Brief",
Companies and UNIX Today!
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Many have questioned the statement in my earlier posting that Motif 1.2
will be available for the Snakes. Well, even though I found this stated
explicitly in three different official HP publications (HP numbers
5091-0977E, 5091-0979E, and 5091-0980E) I am now inclined to believe
that this is a typo. Any official comments from HP on this?
Bo
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~~U~~ -----------------------------------------------------------------sm5dfwmash@mips.com (John Mashey) (03/31/91)
In article <2004@kuling.UUCP> bt@irfu.se (Bo Thide') writes: >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > gcc espr. li eqntott spice doduc nasa7 matrix fpppp tomcatv >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >HP9000/730 46.5 55.2 50.3 52.6 60.9 64.0 73.7 273.3 107.0 67.4 >HP9000/720 35.2 42.5 36.1 40.6 46.9 48.6 58.0 210.0 81.4 52.9 >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Note that the above is highly important information, if you compare mips-ratings with the SPECint subset (the first 4), and the overall behavior patterns, including the effect on matrix300. (This is quite legal, by the way.) However, SPEC has ALWAYS insisted that you see all 10 numbers, and this is one more reminder of the reason, because you can be completely misled about the performance pattern of the machine if all you see is a SPECmark. [Somebody from HP earlier claimed that the SPECmark understated the performance on real programs, not toys .... B.S. As a generic statement, that was simply nonsense, and a misstatement of what a SPECmark (alone) means, and doesn't mean.... >Here's another comparison table: PLEASE: do we have to keep seeing cost/MIPS, where everybody computes mips differently. I'll express a little irritation at this: people MIGHT have computed Price/SPECmark and Price/SPECint, where the latter is an intelligent approximation to Price/VAX-mips-integer. Of course, if I had a machine whose SPECfp is substantially higher than its SPECint, and I were a marketeer: a) I'd quote SPECmarks to get the effect from the FP b) I'd quote mips-ratings (based on dhrystone) to get a good-looking price/mips. c) I'd avoid quoting a price/SPEcint, although that is a hugely more predictive number, and whose data HAD to be available to compute the overall SPECmark.... even if the value is quite good, (which it is) because b) is likely to be better.... d) To see the kinds of distortions introduced, let's observe that the DS5000 is 20-25% FASTER on SPECint than the IBM 320, but you'd never guess that from this table. (The DS5000 and IBM 320 should have roughly equal $/SPECint, not DS5000 costing 1.3X+ more). e) In general, it is much easier to compare performacne than price, because different vendors use different pricings for the the various pieces you may end up needing. AS a buyer, you should always compare prices of configurations you're likely to buy and use. Some vendors have very low entry prices, but other things cost more. (I don't know whether this is true or not with the HPs; I haven't seen a price list yet with enough numbers to know. Maybe someone else has.) >==================================================================== > The HP 720: How It Stacks Up > >COMPANY/PRODUCT PRICE MIPS SPEC Price Per Price Per > marks MIPS SPECmark > >Hewlett-Packard/ $12,000 57 55.5 $211 $216 >HP 9000 Model 720 > >IBM/ $9,725 29.5 24.6 $330 $395 >RISC System/6000 >Model 320 > >Digital Equipment/ $12,500 27.3 19.9 $458 $628 >DECstation 5000 >Model 200 MX > >Sun Microsystems/ $15,000 28.5 21 $526 $714 >SPARCstation 2 Summary: Snakes look like a good implementation of a good architecture; the FP got a good boost, mostly from the new compilers avail in June; the integer performance remains closely on the line of well-implemented single-issue, 1-level cache RISCs, i.e., SPECint = .75-.80X MHz. But please, let's terminate this $/dhrystone-mips trash.... -- -john mashey DISCLAIMER: <generic disclaimer, I speak for me only, etc> UUCP: mash@mips.com OR {ames,decwrl,prls,pyramid}!mips!mash DDD: 408-524-7015, 524-8253 or (main number) 408-720-1700 USPS: MIPS Computer Systems MS 1/05, 930 E. Arques, Sunnyvale, CA 94086
mbk@jacobi.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) (03/31/91)
In article <2004@kuling.UUCP> bt@irfu.se (Bo Thide') writes: >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > gcc espr. li eqntott spice doduc nasa7 matrix fpppp tomcatv >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >HP9000/730 46.5 55.2 50.3 52.6 60.9 64.0 73.7 273.3 107.0 67.4 >HP9000/720 35.2 42.5 36.1 40.6 46.9 48.6 58.0 210.0 81.4 52.9 >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Methinks the Attack of the Killer Micros is shaping up as the Mother Of All Battles. Matt K mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu
irf@kuling.UUCP (Bo Thide') (04/01/91)
OOPS! I made a mistake when reading off and entering the individual
SPEC ratings for the Cobra (HPA9000/720). I hope the following table is
correct. The full "HP Apollo 9000 Series 700 Performace Brief" report
is very comprehensive (41 pages, with Reference list) and contains many
more benchmark ratings and comparisons (with, hopefully, fewer errors)
than my excerpts posted to the net. You can get copies of this report
from your nearest HP office.
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gcc espr. li eqntott spice doduc nasa7 matrix fpppp tomcatv
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HP9000/730 46.5 55.2 50.3 52.6 60.9 64.0 73.7 273.3 107.0 67.4
HP9000/720 35.2 42.5 38.1 40.6 46.9 48.6 58.0 210.0 81.4 52.9
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So the Cobra I-SPECmark becomes (35.2*42.5*38.1*40.6)^(1/4) = 39.0. Exactly
as claimed by HP.
Bo
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~~U~~ -----------------------------------------------------------------sm5dfwjbb@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Jim B. Byers) (04/02/91)
>Many have questioned the statement in my earlier posting that Motif 1.2 >will be available for the Snakes. Well, even though I found this stated >explicitly in three different official HP publications (HP numbers >5091-0977E, 5091-0979E, and 5091-0980E) I am now inclined to believe >that this is a typo. Any official comments from HP on this? The official publications can be considered to be wrong in the statement of the Motif Release. The Series 700s will have Motif 1.1. We will not have delivered 1.2 into OSF's hands in that time frame. Jim Byers Interface Technology Operation Hewlett Packard "Too stay young requires the unceasing cultivation of the ability to unlearn old falsehoods." -Lazarus Long/Robert A. Heinlien