tt@tarzan.jyu.fi (Tapani Tarvainen) (04/18/91)
Is it possible to connect a floppy drive that can read PC floppies (either 3.5" or 5 1/4", high density or not) to a 9000/300 series machine (340/345/370)? Or a 425? Or a 834? Is such a product (hardware and software) available (from HP/3rd party)? (My HP sales rep says there isn't, and recommended I buy a 720 ...) Thanks in advance for any info. -- Tapani Tarvainen (tarvaine@jyu.fi, tarvainen@finjyu.bitnet)
jeff@hpuplca.nsr.hp.com ( Jeff Gruszynski ) (04/19/91)
/ hpuplca:comp.sys.hp / tt@tarzan.jyu.fi (Tapani Tarvainen) / 2:24 am Apr 18, 1991 / > Is it possible to connect a floppy drive that can read PC floppies > (either 3.5" or 5 1/4", high density or not) to a 9000/300 series > machine (340/345/370)? Or a 425? Or a 834? > Is such a product (hardware and software) available (from HP/3rd party)? > (My HP sales rep says there isn't, and recommended I buy a 720 ...) > > Thanks in advance for any info. > > -- > Tapani Tarvainen (tarvaine@jyu.fi, tarvainen@finjyu.bitnet) > ---------- You CAN read PC disks on a series 300 if you're running HPUX. You need a 9153C or 9122C HPIB drive and either SoftPC (software PC emulator) or the DOS Coprocessor (hardware PC card). The 9153C is 20/30/40 Meg HD with 3-1/2" floppy. The 9122C is single or double 3-1/2" drive floppy. Either can access high density disks. The key software commands are dosls, doscp, etc. which have syntax similar to lifls, lifcp, etc. The DOS Coprocessor will only work on the 370, or a 400s setup for DIO cards. Jeff Gruszynski T&M STE SE Santa Clara Sales Hewlett Packard
rjn@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland) (04/19/91)
re: > Is it possible to connect a floppy drive that can read PC floppies > (either 3.5" or 5 1/4", high density or not) to a 9000/300 series > machine (340/345/370)? Or a 425? Or a 834? You can use the 3-1/2-inch HP 9122C drive with all of the above. The 9122C is a dual-floppy HP-IB drive and suuports all HP and IBM single-sided, double-sided and high-density formats. The 'doscp' command suite for file import/export is standard in HP-UX. If you don't have SoftPC, formatting DOS floppies on HP-UX is a little tricky, but can be done (I have an article). The 9127A 5-1/4-inch drive was recently obsoleted, but only supported 360K media in any case. Regards, Hewlett-Packard Bob Niland Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM 3404 East Harmony Road UUCP: [hplabs|hpfcse]!hpfcrjn!rjn Ft Collins CO 80525-9599
wehr@fmsrl7.UUCP (Bruce Wehr ) (04/19/91)
In article <TT.91Apr18112434@tarzan.jyu.fi>, tt@tarzan.jyu.fi (Tapani Tarvainen) writes: > > Is it possible to connect a floppy drive that can read PC floppies > (either 3.5" or 5 1/4", high density or not) to a 9000/300 series > machine (340/345/370)? The later 9122C floppy drives are high density, and can read and write either DD or HD 3.5" disks. I don't know if HP has any 5.25" HD drives. Bundled with HP-UX are DOS utilities (dosll, doscp, dosrm ... man -k dos for more info). We use these on our 300 all the time. -- Bruce Wehr (wehr%dptc.decnet@srlvx0.srl.ford.com) (..!uunet!srlvx0.srl.ford.com!wehr%dptc.decnet) Ford Motor Company - Engineering Technology Services P.O. Box 2053, Room 1153, Dearborn, Michigan 48121-2053 (313)337-5304
wehr@fmsrl7.UUCP (Bruce Wehr ) (04/19/91)
In article <410028@hpuplca.nsr.hp.com>, jeff@hpuplca.nsr.hp.com ( Jeff Gruszynski ) writes: > > You CAN read PC disks on a series 300 if you're running HPUX. > You need either SoftPC (software PC emulator) or the DOS Coprocessor. We use the HP-UX DOS utilities all the time, and have neither SoftPC or a DOS coprocessor. -- Bruce Wehr (wehr%dptc.decnet@srlvx0.srl.ford.com) (..!uunet!srlvx0.srl.ford.com!wehr%dptc.decnet) Ford Motor Company - Engineering Technology Services P.O. Box 2053, Room 1153, Dearborn, Michigan 48121-2053 (313)337-5304
wehr@fmsrl7.UUCP (Bruce Wehr ) (04/20/91)
In article <7370373@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, rjn@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland) writes: > > If you don't have SoftPC, formatting DOS floppies on HP-UX is a little > tricky, but can be done (I have an article). I've breifly thought about how to do this. I've never tried it, but how about this: Ahead of time, get a freshly formatted DOS floppy and either dd or cat the contents onto an HPUX file. This saves the file system data. When you need a DOS formatted floppy, mediainit it with the proper switches to create 512 byte sectors (mediainit -f2 -i2 for a 9122, I think). Then, dd or cat your previous "file system" file back to the floppy. This wouldn't spare any bad sectors, but I think it would work. I'd love to get a copy of your article, if that's possible. Thanks. -- Bruce Wehr (wehr%dptc.decnet@srlvx0.srl.ford.com) (..!uunet!srlvx0.srl.ford.com!wehr%dptc.decnet) Ford Motor Company - Engineering Technology Services P.O. Box 2053, Room 1153, Dearborn, Michigan 48121-2053 (313)337-5304
hurf@theory.tn.cornell.edu (Hurf Sheldon) (04/20/91)
You can use PC SCSI drives as well on the 345 and
up systems with a SCSI port. The dos utilities
under hp-ux don't handle the latest dos 3.x disk
blocking scheme but there is a recent (last 6mos)
utility (dosread?) in comp.sources (uunet.uu.net)
that will allow you to do this. We have even read
DOS formatted Magneto-Optical disks on our 345
with that software. (with little hacking)
hurf
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580 Eng. Theory Center, Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y. 14853 jeff@hpuplca.nsr.hp.com ( Jeff Gruszynski ) (04/20/91)
> / hpuplca:comp.sys.hp / wehr@fmsrl7.UUCP (Bruce Wehr ) / 5:18 am Apr 19, 1991 / > In article <TT.91Apr18112434@tarzan.jyu.fi>, tt@tarzan.jyu.fi (Tapani Tarvainen) writes: > > > > Is it possible to connect a floppy drive that can read PC floppies > > (either 3.5" or 5 1/4", high density or not) to a 9000/300 series > > machine (340/345/370)? > > The later 9122C floppy drives are high density, and can read and write > either DD or HD 3.5" disks. I don't know if HP has any 5.25" HD drives. > > Bundled with HP-UX are DOS utilities (dosll, doscp, dosrm ... man -k dos > for more info). We use these on our 300 all the time. > > -- > Bruce Wehr (wehr%dptc.decnet@srlvx0.srl.ford.com) > (..!uunet!srlvx0.srl.ford.com!wehr%dptc.decnet) > Ford Motor Company - Engineering Technology Services > P.O. Box 2053, Room 1153, Dearborn, Michigan 48121-2053 (313)337-5304 > ---------- These have been bundled in the past, but apparently aren't any more if purchased new (at 7.0). IMHO I think they ought to still be bundled, but... Jeff Gruszynski T&M STE SE Santa Clara Sales Hewlett Packard
steve-t@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Steve Taylor) (04/21/91)
/comp.sys.hp/jeff@hpuplca.nsr.hp.com/ | You CAN read PC disks on a series 300 if you're running HPUX. Third party software is available for reading DOS floppies from RMB, also. | You need a 9153C or 9122C HPIB drive and either SoftPC (software PC emulator) | or the DOS Coprocessor (hardware PC card). SoftPC or DOS Coprocessor is only needed if you want to run PC software. | The key software commands are dosls, doscp, etc. Which are standard in the base HP-UX system. | The DOS Coprocessor will only work on the 370, or a 400s setup for DIO cards. The DOS Coprocessor works on any 300 that has a DIO slot to plug it in, if you have the appropriate supporting software. The company that makes PC Elevator for Domain Systems has a version for EISA 400s. I think I saw that they're supporting it with HP-UX also, but check with them. Regards, Steve taylor NOT A STATEMENT, OFFICIAL OR OTHERWISE, OF THE HEWLETT-PACKARD COMPANY.
stanb@hpnmdla.hp.com (Stan Bischof) (04/22/91)
In comp.sys.hp, steve-t@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Steve Taylor) writes: >| You need a 9153C or 9122C HPIB drive and either SoftPC (software PC emulator) >| or the DOS Coprocessor (hardware PC card). >SoftPC or DOS Coprocessor is only needed if you want to run PC software. Or if you want to format a DOS disk in your drive. Also you might round up a 9127A drive on the surplus market (its obsolete) and you'll be able to talk to low-density 5-1/4 disks also. >NOT A STATEMENT, OFFICIAL OR OTHERWISE, OF THE HEWLETT-PACKARD COMPANY. ditto. Stan Bischof HP-NMD
franks@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com (Frank Slootweg CRC) (04/23/91)
PLEASE STOP YAUL (Yet Another Urban Legend)! Jeff Gruszynski of HP writes : > > Bundled with HP-UX are DOS utilities (dosll, doscp, dosrm ... man -k dos > > for more info). We use these on our 300 all the time. > > These have been bundled in the past, but apparently aren't any more if > purchased new (at 7.0). IMHO I think they ought to still be bundled, but... These have indeed been bundled (with HP-UX) in the past, and currently (7.0) they are still bundled! They are in the fileset DOS_UTILS for both 300/400 and 600/800. I think that there might have been a release where they were not supplied with HP-UX, but that is a moot point now. Can we end this urban legend now, please? Oh yeah: This is another opinion which I think is a fact. Frank Slootweg, Dutch Customer Response Center.