sentinel@killer.UUCP (The Sentinel) (05/04/87)
(I could swear I posted this already, but I can't find any record of it...
so, if you've seen something like this before I apologize)
First of all, Dr. Evil Labs is real. If you have sent for a disk, you
WILL get it. If they are a bit slow, it is because they are students, and
it's finals time. Also, becuase of the changing nature of University
addresses, the address they gave is one of their homes. But you will get
your disk as soon as they can send it.
Second, the new Kermit does a pretty good job of emulating a VT100. It's
good enough to use on a Unix system without any termcap tweaking; in fact,
that is how it was tested. The only thing you have to add to the termcap
entry is the additional information about the status line, if you wish to
use a program such as sysline.
Now, I haven't tested it very heavily myself. I just used it for a
short vi session in which I edited and scrolled around in a large file,
followed by a game of hack. There is a lot of stuff the VT100 can do that
probably isn't covered, but Kermit works well enough to get by. It
certainly works better than MicroVT or BobsTerm Pro, both of which I've
had sisignificant problems with when trying to use them on the same system.
As to why they didn't send a .hex or .bin file to Columbia, I can't
imagine why they left the binary out of the distribution. If someone
will post or mail me the details of how to submit something to Columbia,
and if D.E.Labs doesn't send a binary soon, I'll send a copy of mine.
--TS
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Disclaimer: I have no business affiliation with Dr. Evil Labs. I do,
however, know the gentlemen who make it up, and usually play with their
software before anybody else does.
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Rob Tillotson ...ihnp4!killer!sentinel
3922-1 Newport Ave. -or-
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(219) 483-2722 (top one preferred)simon@ukma.UUCP (05/11/87)
Is kermit 2.00 still public domain??? If so, why doesn't someone upload the binary version to Q-link or something. (Please?!) Simon Gales. *---> usenet: cbosgd!ukma!simon *---> voice: (606) 257 3597 csnet: simon@ms.uky.csnet *---> (606) 254 9387 bitnet: simon@UKMA.BITNET
aij@s.cc.purdue.edu (Ray Moody) (05/18/87)
Hello!
First of all, Everyone that sent for Kermit2.0 should have received theirs
by now. If you have not, something is horribly wrong. Send me Email.
Future distributions of Kermit 2.X should come out much faster. Sorry
about any inconvenience.
Second, If you are interested in beta testing future versions of Kermit,
please send me Email. I plan to release 2.1, but I have no idea when it will
be ready. It is still a long way off. Progress will be slow this summer
because my roommate left and took his 1200 baud modem with him. I am stuck
with 300 baud.
Third:
In article <6607@ukmj.ms.uky.csnet> simon@ms.uky.csnet (George Simon) writes:
> Is kermit 2.00 still public domain??? If so, why doesn't someone
>upload the binary version to Q-link or something. (Please?!)
YES!!! It is public domain. I have not uploaded it because I do not
have a Q-Link account.
If someone else wants to upload it, go right ahead. Kermit is public
domain. I do have one wish: PLEASE include the docs in the archive. Kermit
is almost impossible to use without docs. Thanks.
Ray Moody -- author of Kermit2.0
aij@s.cc.purdue.edu
ihnp4!pur-ee!s.cc.purdue.edu!aij
moody@purccvm.BITNETschaefer@ogcvax.UUCP (Barton E. Schaefer) (08/20/87)
In article <killer.1354> sentinel@killer.UUCP (The Sentinel) writes: >In article <401@astroatc.UUCP>, brucec@astroatc.UUCP (Bruce Cantrall) writes: >[inclusions and counter-inclusions deleted to save space and time] >> I load a program I wrote myself and login to the system and as soon as >> the login is sucessful, I cycle the power on the C-64 and boot Kermit. >> It works OK, I guess. I am going to try to relocate Kermit somewhere else >> in memory and add my auto-dial routines to the boot program. >> >> Is there an easier way of doing this? > > Not really. Perhaps you could try having your program LOAD and RUN >the main Kermit program... it will LOAD just fine without the autoboot >loader, and it can be RUN directly. If your dialing program is in BASIC, >just end it with a LOAD"KERMIT",8... > I have tried Sentinel's suggestion, and it doesn't seem to work predictably. The 4.3 BSD system to which I login won't wait more than 60 seconds after carrier-detect for me to type my login name; I then have another 60 seconds to type my password, about 120 seconds to respond to the prompt from tset in my .login, etc. That means I don't have time to load Kermit after connecting before I have to start talking to the host. My solution was to hack up a dumb-terminal program (written in BASIC) that came with my modem to do two things: 1) load a machine-language program to dial the !#*%&@ modem, which is not Hayes compatible; and 2) load Kermit when I hit a function key, which I do after I have talked to the host long enough to get a csh prompt. About 30% of the time, Kermit will load and run. Another 60% of the time, it will load and bring up the prompt, but then just sits there with the keyboard dead. The other 10% of the time it won't even finish loading. I can't cycle power on my 64 and then load kermit, because the blasted modem hangs up when the 64 is shut off. Anybody out there have any suggestions? I have noticed this appear-to-load-and-then-sit-there behavior with other programs loaded after another program has been running awhile. Is this a common problem or is something wrong with my 64? Aside: I occassionally suspect I have a weird 64. According to one place I had it serviced, it came from the factory with one of the video chips installed backwards. This didn't cause any problems (the chip evidently drives the monitor outputs, and I was using the 64 hooked up to a TV) until I left it on for 24 hours once; then it overheated and fried something else with it. -- Bart Schaefer Dept. of CS&E CSNET: schaefer@Oregon-Grad Oregon Graduate Center UUCP: {ihnp4,seismo,sun}!verdix \ 19600 NW Von Neumann Dr {hplabs,ucbvax,decvax}!tektronix !ogcvax!schaefer Beaverton, OR 97006
elg@killer.UUCP (Eric Green) (08/23/87)
in article <1388@ogcvax.UUCP>, schaefer@ogcvax.UUCP (Barton E. Schaefer) says: [RE: 'load "kermit",8' as last statement in BASIC program:] > About 30% of the time, Kermit will load and run. Another 60% of the time, it > will load and bring up the prompt, but then just sits there with the keyboard > dead. The other 10% of the time it won't even finish loading. I dunno what causes it. But instead of doing a "load", I do a clear scren, and print 'load "kermit",8' on the third line, and 'run' on the fifth line, of the screen. Then I home the cursor, shove two carriage-returns into the keyboard buffer so that it'll be as if I, the user, manually typed all that stuff, and presto, instantly fooled C-64... Eric Green (ihnp4,cbosgd)!killer!elg
bowen@sunybcs.uucp (Devon Bowen) (08/23/87)
In article <1388@ogcvax.UUCP> schaefer@ogcvax.UUCP (Barton E. Schaefer) writes: > >About 30% of the time, Kermit will load and run. Another 60% of the time, it >will load and bring up the prompt, but then just sits there with the keyboard >dead. The other 10% of the time it won't even finish loading. > >.... > >I have noticed this appear-to-load-and-then-sit-there behavior with other >programs loaded after another program has been running awhile. Is this a >common problem or is something wrong with my 64? I've had trouble loading my Kermit 2.0. Even my distribution copy! I'll try to load it with the standard LOAD "*",8,1 and sometimes it loads and sometimes it just hangs. This happens on both the distribution disk and all my copies so it can't be a flaky disk. What gets me is that it's unpredictable as to whether it's gonna load or not. Anyone else having this problem? It might be related to the above. I'm using a 128 and a 1571 drive... Devon Bowen (KA2NRC) University of Buffalo ********************************************************* uucp: ..!{ames,boulder,decvax,rutgers}!sunybcs!bowen Internet: bowen@cs.Buffalo.EDU BITNET: bowen@sunybcs.BITNET *********************************************************
schaefer@ogcvax.UUCP (Barton E. Schaefer) (08/30/87)
First of all, thanks to those who gave suggestions on how to load KERMIT from
a BASIC program. As it turns out,
LOAD "KERMIT",8,1
does indeed work. I looked back at my program, and discovered that I was doing
KT=1:LOAD "KERMIT.BOOT",8,1
Line 10 (first in the program) has to look like
IF KT=1 THEN END
in order for this to work -- the END causes KERMIT.BOOT to run when the BASIC
program exits. I would still like to know why this is only partly reliable,
but since directly loading KERMIT works, I'll do that.
Now on to another question. Has anybody out there doctored KERMI 2.0 to use a
different character set? I find it very difficult to distinguish some
characters in the set used. I have worked out the pixel patterns for a more
legible 80-column set used by the program that came with my modem, and I wonder
how difficult it would be to to substitute this set into KERMIT.
Of course, any 80-column set on the C64 screen has its drawbacks; the authors
of KERMIT seem to have decided to maximize spacing BETWEEN letters, while the
set I prefer maximizes spacing WITHIN letters (allowing wide letters like W to
touch adjacent letters). As an example, the KERMIT character set leaves a
detectable space between a pair of hyphens, i.e. "--", while the set I prefer
runs them together into a single long line. The effects of all this are that
certain letter combinations are less legible in my preferred set, but
"solitary" letters (surrounded by whitespace or by narrow letters) are always
easily distinguished, which is not true in KERMIT (at least to my eyes on my
screen).
Can anyone help me with this? And if the authors of KERMIT are watching, are
you interested in a possible alternate character set? How about two sets,
"wide" and "narrow" for the next version, where "narrow" is the current set,
and let the user choose his preferred configuration?
--
Bart Schaefer CSNET: schaefer@Oregon-Grad
UUCP: ...{tektronix,verdix}!ogcvax!schaefer
"Face it ... computers have revolutionized the workplace."
"Right. The Ayatollah did the same thing to Iran." -- J. MacNellytw0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Todd Andrew Williamson) (01/29/88)
Can someone tell me if Kermit 2.0 has been patched for 2400 baud? I know that 1.7 hadn't, but the docs aren't out yet for 2.0. If not, will 2.1 support it? It's one of the things on my "wish list," for I will soon be buying a 2400 baud modem. -Todd. P.S. I'm sorry I asked such a silly question about the GAME and EXROM lines. A friend locally pointed out to me that the information was right under my nose, in the reference guide. Thanks for your patience:-)