thor@stout.ucar.edu (Rich Neitzel) (10/27/89)
Well, I've seen a number of people ask about ftp sites for CBM items
in the last few months, but no mention of actual sites. So I am going
to propose a slightly different archive - an email based one.
I already am running such an archive for users of a particular realtime
operating system, so adding CBM support would not be hard. The archive
works very simply - one mails a request to the server, which then sends
the requested item(s) via email.
Now the hard part - it would need something to go into it! So if people
are interested I need to know --
1> Is there enough demand for me to proceed?
2> Are there enough items to go into the archive to make it viable?
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------bwildasi@silver.bacs.indiana.edu (Ben Wildasin) (10/27/89)
In response to the posting regarding the "Email-ftp" site, Y Y EEEEEEEE SSSSSSS !!! Y Y E S !!! Y Y EEEEEE SSSSSSS !!! YY E S !!! YY E S YY EEEEEEEEE SSSSSSS !!! By all means do it! (And as for whether there is enough stuff, there ARE 25,000 c64/128 public domain programs out there ... ) :-> Ben Wildasin ***************************************************************************** Ben Wildasin * Mail: bwildasi@silver.bacs.indiana.edu * Phone: (812) 332-0245 ***************************************************************************** "Since there was once water on Mars, probably there is enough oxygen there to support human life." --Dan Quayle *****************************************************************************
bskendig@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Brian Kendig) (10/27/89)
In article <28519@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> bwildasi@silver.bacs.indiana.edu (Ben Wildasin) writes: } }In response to the posting regarding the "Email-ftp" site, } }Y Y EEEEEEEE SSSSSSS !!! } Y Y E S !!! } Y Y EEEEEE SSSSSSS !!! } YY E S !!! } YY E S } YY EEEEEEEEE SSSSSSS !!! } }By all means do it! Ditto. Well said. -- | Brian S. Kendig | I feel more like I | bskendig | | Computer Engineering | did when I got here | @phoenix.Princeton.EDU | | Princeton University | than I do now. | @PUCC.BITNET | | Systems Engineering, NASA Space Station Freedom / General Electric WP3 |
acliu@skat.usc.edu (Alejandro Liu) (10/27/89)
In article <4841@ncar.ucar.edu> thor@thor.ucar.edu (Rich Neitzel) writes: > >Well, I've seen a number of people ask about ftp sites for CBM items >in the last few months, but no mention of actual sites. So I am going Well, just so you won't say that there are NO C64/128 Archive sites. There is ONE (Yes, just ONE!) C64 archive in (tah-dah!) tolsun.oulu.fi 128.214.5.6 (.fi, that is Finland!!!!) The only problem, with that, besides of being in Finland, is that the C64 stuff doesn't seem to be very well supported. >to propose a slightly different archive - an email based one. >1> Is there enough demand for me to proceed? What you propose is indeed a good idea > >2> Are there enough items to go into the archive to make it viable? Well, there is plenty of stuff for the C64/128. Now, for some questions. 1) Would people be able to submit a program easily? What would be the criteria for the programs to be archived? 2) Since most Mail links are usually 7 bit connections, there would be need for UUencoding/UUdecoding binaries. Does anybody has such program that would do that in the C64/128? (There used to be one, but I didn't save it, sorry) Also, some connections, won't accept mail messages bigger than 64K so some way to split and join files neatly in the C64 will be needed. Who would like to write such application for the C64/128? 3) I think we need a monthly posting service that will post answers to common questions, like: -Where is Kermit? (FTP'able from maxwell.physics.purdue.edu: 128.46.135.3) -VT100 Emulation on the 64/128? (Kermit for 64 and Desterm 128 are best) -Where can I find Desterm 128? (Nobody knows, but I can mail you a copy...) -Are there any Archive sites for the 64/128? (Right now there is only Tolsun.oulu.fi: 128.214.5.6) -Can the 64 do 2400bd? (Yes, but you need a special program. If you want one, I can email you a program that will do it!) If nobody wants to volunteer for doing this, I would do it, but mail me some "Common Asked Questions" and some answers too! (Sorry, I don't know EVERYTHING!) Alejandro Liu acliu%skat@usc.edu acliu@skat.usc.edu (Simple .signature, $CHEAP$)
rvermaa@cs.vu.nl (Richard Vermaas ) (10/27/89)
thor@stout.ucar.edu (Rich Neitzel) writes: >Well, I've seen a number of people ask about ftp sites for CBM items >in the last few months, but no mention of actual sites. So I am going >to propose a slightly different archive - an email based one. Yes, please do. Over here we have a group of people with c64's who have access to mail and news but have no permision to use ftp (including me) so an email based archive would be VERY much appreciated. Succes, Richard Vermaas mcsun!cs.vu.nl!rvermaa
mhirsch@cs.vu.nl (Max Hirschfeld) (10/27/89)
>In article <28519@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> bwildasi@silver.bacs.indiana.edu (Ben Wildasin) writes: } }In response to the posting regarding the "Email-ftp" site, } }Y Y EEEEEEEE SSSSSSS !!! } Y Y E S !!! } Y Y EEEEEE SSSSSSS !!! } YY E S !!! } YY E S } YY EEEEEEEEE SSSSSSS !!! } }By all means do it! YES! I'm all for it too!!! Xam. _______________________________________________________________________________ Xam the Emperor | If space and time are relative, why did they never come Amsterdam, Holland | to my birthday party? (Alexei Sayle) mhirsch@cs.vu.nl |
rcwlobe@cs.vu.nl (Reg Lobee) (10/27/89)
mhirsch@cs.vu.nl (Max Hirschfeld) writes: |>In article <28519@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> bwildasi@silver.bacs.indiana.edu (Ben Wildasin) writes: |} |}In response to the posting regarding the "Email-ftp" site, |} |}Y Y EEEEEEEE SSSSSSS !!! |} Y Y E S !!! |} Y Y EEEEEE SSSSSSS !!! |} YY E S !!! |} YY E S |} YY EEEEEEEEE SSSSSSS !!! |} |}By all means do it! |YES! I'm all for it too!!! And me! Reg Lobee rcwlobe@cs.vu.nl
jgreco@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Joe Greco) (10/27/89)
In comp.sys.cbm article <20828@usc.edu>, acliu@skat.usc.edu (Alejandro Liu) wrote: >The only problem, with that, besides of being in Finland, is that the >C64 stuff doesn't seem to be very well supported. And tolsun is not always easy to get to.... busy site, with 'irc' and all. >2) Since most Mail links are usually 7 bit connections, there would be >need for UUencoding/UUdecoding binaries. Does anybody has such >program that would do that in the C64/128? (There used to be one, but >I didn't save it, sorry) Also, some connections, won't accept mail >messages bigger than 64K so some way to split and join files neatly in >the C64 will be needed. Who would like to write such application for >the C64/128? Why on the 64/128? Why reinvent the wheel? Your local UNIX should have all the needed utilities - if not, they can be had from many archive sites. Let UNIX do the work. Then simply sx or sy it to your machine. You can also use kermit in binary mode, or the more generic "xmodem" command.. -- jgreco@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Joe Greco at FidoNet 1:154/200 USnail: 9905 W Montana Ave PunterNet Node 30 or 31 West Allis, WI 53227-3329 "These aren't anybody's opinions." Voice: 414/321-6184 Data: 414/321-9287 (Happy Hacker's BBS)
acliu@skat.usc.edu (Alejandro Liu) (10/28/89)
In article <635@uwm.edu> jgreco@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Joe Greco) writes: >>need for UUencoding/UUdecoding binaries. Does anybody has such >>program that would do that in the C64/128? (There used to be one, but >Why on the 64/128? Why reinvent the wheel? Your local UNIX should have all [Why reinvent uuencoding for the C64/128?] Main reason is that some people are not as fortunate as we are to have available all this utilities on our host (Not everybody is using Unix) and still some peopl don't seem to get the configuration right! (Like they have to transfer files to their host, download it to a Mac, then pass it trough a Connection to their Commodore, The more steps you take the most likely for a binary file to loose characters. >Let UNIX do the work. Then simply sx or sy it to your machine. >You can also use kermit in binary mode, or the more generic "xmodem" command.. (That is what I usually do! :) Alejandro Liu acliu%skat@usc.edu acliu@skat.usc.edu (Simple .signature, $CHEAP$)
acliu@skat.usc.edu (Alejandro Liu) (10/28/89)
In article <3855@loper.cs.vu.nl> Richard Vermaas <mcsun!cs.vu.nl!rvermaa> writes: >thor@stout.ucar.edu (Rich Neitzel) writes: >>Well, I've seen a number of people ask about ftp sites for CBM items >>in the last few months, but no mention of actual sites. So I am going >>to propose a slightly different archive - an email based one. >Yes, please do. Over here we have a group of people with c64's who have Since, I had some free time over here, I wrote a e-mail based archive in bourne shell. And set it up in my student account at usc.edu. So you can all try it out, and see what happens. (A big 4 hour hack for you to play with...) Note that the server is in state of beta testing, that is, I have tested the major functions and seems to me that it works, but you can't say that until it has been tested in "real life". To make it work, you have to send mail to ME, at: acliu%skat@usc.edu or acliu@skat.usc.edu (Those are Internet Addresses, if your system doesn't support those, see your local e-mail guru. All sites, have one of those guys! :-) Anyways, back to the e-mail archive server... in the subject line you should put: Subject: Mail-Archive-Request (This is VERY important, the Server will read the message and if it sees that line, it will process your request, otherwise, it will think that is a normal mail message destined to me.) The server will understand the following commands in the message: path <Path from me to you> help <topic> send <volume> <file> contents <volume> index <volume> receive <volume> <file> The following is the file that you would get if you send a help request: Introduction to Alex's Mail Archive Server ========================================== NOTE: This archive server has nothing to do with USC. It is a service provided by me to the Net. Please do not abuse this service, I am only a student here, and wouldn't afford get kicked out of school because of this joke of Archive! The idea of this Server is to serve request of popular programs for the Commodore 8-bit family of computers. This is due because of the INCREDIBLE lack of FTP Archive sites for the Commodore. Server Software: The way the Server is written, it is simply a hook to the Sendmail forwarding mechanism. The entire server software is writen in Bourne Shell scripts. The Server is available from here, by requesting file: send unix-support server How the Server Works: To make use of the server you have to send a Mail message to me, <acliu@skat.usc.edu> and have a subject line: Subject: Mail-Archive-Request THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT! If you don't have that line spelled exactly like that you won't get anything, and I will get a mailbox full of junk messages. Somewhere along the header there should be a line saying: Return-Path: <your path from me to you> Usually, mail adds this automagically, but if it were not the case, you can specify a return path by puting a line in the body of your message saying: path <from me to you> In the body of your message you put the Mail Archive request. You can put several request in a single message, one request per line. The following request are honored: path <return path from to you> Forces M-AR to send the file to the mailing address specified in its argument help [topic] Sends help on the topic. Default is this intro file. contents [volume] Sends the contents of the volume. Defualt will send the list of available volumes AND the contents of the Help volume. index [volume] Sends the directory list of the volume. Default will send the directory for help volume send [volume] [file] Sends the file on the specified volume. Default Volume is help, and default file is contents. Please note that all the request keyboards are in lowercase letters. And the ARE case sensitive. That means, you can't send a message: cOnTeNts help and expect the server to understand you. Submitting files ================ The server allows other users to submit files to the server. Send a request for "help contribution" for more information. NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE Currently the Server software is in beta testing. If you experience any problems, send mail to me. (Just don't put a Subject: Mail-Archive-Server) on it. I will try to figure out what is wrong. Tough, I can't guarantee that the Server will work for ALL systems. Alejandro Liu acliu%skat@usc.edu acliu@skat.usc.edu (Simple .signature, $CHEAP$)
rickc@pogo.WV.TEK.COM (Rick Clements) (10/28/89)
The mail archive sounds good to me. I don't access to off site ftp, so ftp archives don't excite me. I can think of three programs to start the archive with (Kermit, desterm and the Power-C compatible assembler). -- Rick Clements (RickC@pogo.WV.TEK.COM)