podop08@bingsune.cc.binghamton.edu (podop08) (12/15/89)
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I have heard many rumors about a version of Emacs for the Comoodore
64. Can anyone substantiate
this rumor? And, more importantly, can I get a copy for the C-128?
Thanks,
Gregg
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--------jgreco@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Joseph E Greco) (12/21/89)
In article <2743@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu> podop08@bingsune.cc.binghamton.edu (podop08) writes: > I have heard many rumors about a version of Emacs for the Comoodore >64. Can anyone substantiate >this rumor? And, more importantly, can I get a copy for the C-128? This is highly unlikely... even a partial implementation would be extremely slow, and more importantly would be extremely large. EMACS on this system is only 585K in size (external files excluded). It would be nice.... :-) -- jgreco@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Joe Greco at FidoNet 1:154/200 USnail: 9905 W Montana Ave PunterNet Node 30 or 31 West Allis, WI 53227-3329 "These aren't anybody's opinions." Voice: 414/321-6184 Data: 414/321-9287 (Happy Hacker's BBS)
acliu@skat.usc.edu (Alex C. Liu) (12/21/89)
In article <1588@uwm.edu> jgreco@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Joseph E Greco) writes: >In article <2743@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu> podop08@bingsune.cc.binghamton.edu (podop08) writes: >> I have heard many rumors about a version of Emacs for the Comoodore >>64. Can anyone substantiate >This is highly unlikely... even a partial implementation would be extremely >slow, and more importantly would be extremely large. EMACS on this system >is only 585K in size (external files excluded). Funny, here at U$C, Emacs is only 1155072 Bytes. (excluding external goodies, though) ______________________________________________________________________ Alex C. Liu | INTERNET: acliu%skat@usc.edu Voice: (213) 749-2730 | BITNET: acliu%skat@gamera Q-Link: Alejandro | UUCP: ...!usc!edu
anderson@ncrcce.StPaul.NCR.COM (Joel Peter Anderson) (12/22/89)
I remember asking this one a while back myself.... but the question should be
considered a bit more carefully; You would have to be crazy to believe any
version of GNU Emacs would fit in the 64, but there are many Micro Emacs's out
there which could serve as a goal - or even as a source, since they are written
in C, for a C64 Micro Emacs....
Actually I was pointed to an editor I own, the editor that comes with Power C;
while not an editor with Macros (EMACs = Editor with MACros), it has named
buffers, cut & paste directory access, syntax checking... Maybe someone
could add macros to this?
I have occassionally toyed with the idea of using BlazinForth to write an
Emacs, with forth as the macro language, and buffers as the file form....
but my own native sloth has prevented such a development... any takers?
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) (12/22/89)
in article <1588@uwm.edu>, jgreco@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Joseph E Greco) says: > In article <2743@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu> podop08@bingsune.cc.binghamton.edu (podop08) writes: >> I have heard many rumors about a version of Emacs for the Comoodore >>64. Can anyone substantiate >>this rumor? And, more importantly, can I get a copy for the C-128? > This is highly unlikely... even a partial implementation would be extremely > slow, and more importantly would be extremely large. EMACS on this system > is only 585K in size (external files excluded). Emacs doesn't necessarily mean GNU Emacs or Gosling's Emacs. The version of micro Emacs (MG) I use on my Amiga here is only 92k or so. Still a tad too large for a C128, much less a C64. Though certainly, if you wanted to go the trouble of rewriting the C code in assembler, a basic Emacs could be built for either machine. It's not going run E-Lisp or let you run news or a shell in an Emacs window, but it could have a good Emacsish feel to it. I had considered porting a micro emacs (a very old and smaller one) to the C128 way back when, but there was no C compiler at the time, and I wasn't interested in mucking with assembler. So I bought an Amiga... > jgreco@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Joe Greco at FidoNet 1:154/200 -- Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Systems Engineering) "The Crew That Never Rests" {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh PLINK: hazy BIX: hazy Too much of everything is just enough
daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) (12/22/89)
in article <1791@ncrcce.StPaul.NCR.COM>, anderson@ncrcce.StPaul.NCR.COM (Joel Peter Anderson) says: > Summary: Wait a minute! Why not? > Keywords: > [...] while not an editor with Macros (EMACs = Editor with MACros) [...] Actually, the emacs name come from Editor MACros, or some such. The original Emacs was basically a collection of editing macros for TECO, which itself was a rather silly text editor that grew over the years into a rather silly programming language. The first version of Emacs I used was a version, in TECO, supposedly derived from the Richard Stallman original from MIT (this was at CMU in 1979). While you never had to leave Emacs proper, you could pop up a TECO buffer at any time and program/edit to your heart's content directly in TECO. Of course, lots of folks liked having that TECO around for writing macros, so when it came actually implementing Emacs in a real language like C, some programming language or another was usually implemented as well. The other popular Emacs at CMU at the time was James Gosling's version, which ran on PDP-11s instead of DEC-20s and had a lisp-ish macro language called Mock-Lisp, or M-Lisp for short. Not as powerful as GNU's E-Lisp, but pretty nice as compared to TECO. The original MicroEmacs program didn't have any macro capability, but it did handle the simple editing command set (no M-X capabilities) and seemed to me to more along the lines of TECO or Gosling's rather than GNU as far as the command set it knows. This has split in several directions; The current MicroEmacs (V3.10 or so), MG (formerly MicroGNU, so-called because it attempted to use more GNU than Gosling's commands), the MEmacs that comes on the Amiga's Extras disk, and probably many others all trace back to the original C language MicroEmacs. The latest V3.10 has a kinda Forth-ish macro language. MG and MEmacs don't have a language, but they do handle keyboard macros (eg, they remember a sequence of Emacs commands to let you build quick macros). MG does allow key rebinding, it has very nice menu, window, and mouse support on the Amiga, and there's even a version as part of AmigaTeK that uses AREXX as it's macro language. MEmacs is much simpler, but it's been hacked on considerably by the Amiga folk here to make it small and fast. > I have occassionally toyed with the idea of using BlazinForth to write an > Emacs, with forth as the macro language, and buffers as the file form.... > but my own native sloth has prevented such a development... any takers? That'd be pretty interesting; more like the TECO version in philosophy. > joel.anderson@StPaul.NCR.COM |UUCP: {rosevax, crash}!orbit!pnet51!jpa -- Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Systems Engineering) "The Crew That Never Rests" {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh PLINK: hazy BIX: hazy Too much of everything is just enough