gravillr@prism.cs.orst.edu (GRAVILLE RUSSELL JAMES) (04/17/91)
Hello, after my last post I got a letter saying that I haden't been very clear so I'll try again. My dad just bought an IBM and wants to buy or make a card which would have a C64 on it. It would be like the C64 in a C128. To do this it would have to have a serial port, joystick ports, user port, cartrige port and cassete port on it. The user, cartrige, and casset port could be inside if nessary where they could be brought to the out side of the machine with ribbon cables. I would like it to be able to utilize the IBM screen and speeker. If it could use the internal modem that would be great but I dont see how that could work. The hardest part I see is running the video through the IBM video. For the speeker, it really wouldn't be necessary for it to run through the IBM internal if the card had an audio out plug on it. The C64 would use the IBM keyboard. Also it would be nice if driver software wasn't necassery but there wouldn't be a problem if it was required. Hope that explains it better. Any help would be nice. Thanks Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Russell J. Graville | Nuclear Engineering | Oregon State Univ.| | gravillr@prism.cs.orst.edu | gravilr@jacobs.cs.orst.edu | | The death rate is still one per person | Insert any disclamer here | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
esaffle@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ed Saffle) (04/18/91)
In article <1991Apr17.022048.15067@lynx.CS.ORST.EDU> gravillr@prism.cs.orst.edu (GRAVILLE RUSSELL JAMES) writes: > >make a card which would have a C64 on it. It would be like the C64 in a Being a fellow Commodore owner and also an IBM user, I can see how great a valule this would be....not only that but it is a neat idea in itself. >be great but I dont see how that could work. The hardest part I see is The video shouldn't have that big a problem.....of course I am most definitelyNOT an expert on the subject. I know that the CGA mode on an IBM system is compatable with the RGB mode that the 128 uses to get 80 column screens. I know this because I occasionally use the monitor on my mom's XT and my 128's RGB monitor interchangeably when one is in need of repair. I'll have to keep tabs on how this goes. Maybe I can fins out some stuff from the people around here. Later, Ed
technews@iitmax.iit.edu (K. Kadow) (04/18/91)
It wouldn't be worth the expense to design a C64 bridgeboard for the IBM.
What you COULD do is get a multisync monitor (one that will accept NTSC) for
the IBM, and build a small card (mentioned here) to allow the C64 to use a
IBM keyboard...
You could then construct a switchbox which would allow you to redirect the
keyboard input and the monitor to the C64 or the IBM.
C64's run under $75 used, color TV's can be had for peanuts, so why bother?
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My employer disagrees. JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu (04/18/91)
If you want to run your C64 software on another machine then buy an Amiga guys. Several emulators exist that run C64 stuff. You can even emulate your IBM and have the same compatibility that your would get from a IBM-Clone. It takes a s uperior machine to effectively emulate another machine, the Amiga is what will do it for you. If you love you Commodore 64 so much then why did you leave Commodore? What's next on Ami's long list of emulations? Perhaps the NeXT? Jason Koszarsky, JBK4@PSUVM
geert@ahds.UUCP (Geert W.T. Jonkheer CCS/TS) (04/18/91)
In article <1991Apr17.022048.15067@lynx.CS.ORST.EDU>, gravillr@prism.cs.orst.edu (GRAVILLE RUSSELL JAMES) writes: > > To do this it would have to have a serial port, joystick ports, user > port, cartrige port and cassete port on it. The user, cartrige, and casset > port could be inside if nessary where they could be brought to the out side > of the machine with ribbon cables. I would like it to be able to utilize > the IBM screen and speeker. If it could use the internal modem that would > be great but I dont see how that could work. The hardest part I see is > running the video through the IBM video. For the speeker, it really wouldn't > be necessary for it to run through the IBM internal if the card had an audio > out plug on it. The C64 would use the IBM keyboard. Also it would be nice > if driver software wasn't necassery but there wouldn't be a problem if it was > required. I don't think many people wants to have a C64 in their PC. Unless you want to waste your money, i see no use for it. Why doesn't your dad connect the original C64 to a PC using the serial ports on both machines. I have this working between my ATARI-ST and the C128, and it works just fine. Both machines have their favourites, so lets keep it this way. Geert.
crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Crunch) (04/19/91)
<JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: > If you want to run your C64 software on another machine then buy an Amiga guy > Several emulators exist that run C64 stuff. You can even emulate your IBM an > have the same compatibility that your would get from a IBM-Clone. It takes a > uperior machine to effectively emulate another machine, the Amiga is what wil > do it for you. If you love you Commodore 64 so much then why did you leave > Commodore? > What's next on Ami's long list of emulations? Perhaps the NeXT? Give me a break! We both know that the C64 emulators available for the Amiga are crap. If they're not too slow, they foul up the programs. Also, the problem of emulating the SID chip hasn't been tackled (in an emulator... I've seen it done in a demo). What would be nice would be a 64 on a board for the Amiga. We've already got IBMs, Mac, and Unix systems running off the Amiga, so why not a 64? ----------------------------------------------------------///\---------- Crunch @ Heart of Gold BBS (814) 238-9633 /// \ crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us \\\///----\ (814) 353-9489 \XX/ \ MIGA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ TARDIS Express: When it absolutely, positively has to be there yesterday. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
cs4344af@evax.arl.utexas.edu (Fuzzy Fox) (04/19/91)
In article <91108.001753JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu> JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >If you want to run your C64 software on another machine then buy an Amiga guys. >Several emulators exist that run C64 stuff. None of the C-64 emulators will run all C64 software. In fact, they run only a small subset of the C64's available software. Please post all of the facts. The only computer that will successfully emulate a C-64 is a C-128. -- David DeSimone, aka "Fuzzy Fox" on some networks. /!/! INET: an207@cleveland.freenet.edu / .. Q-Link: Fuzzy Fox / --* Quote: "Foxes are people too! And vice versa." / ---
ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu (04/19/91)
In article <91108.001753JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu>, JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu writes: > If you want to run your C64 software on another machine then buy an Amiga guys. > Several emulators exist that run C64 stuff. You can even emulate your IBM and > have the same compatibility that your would get from a IBM-Clone. It takes a s > uperior machine to effectively emulate another machine, the Amiga is what will > do it for you. If you love you Commodore 64 so much then why did you leave > Commodore? > What's next on Ami's long list of emulations? Perhaps the NeXT? > > > Jason Koszarsky, JBK4@PSUVM Trouble is , all the c64 emulators are real dogs! Every one I tried was, put it charitably, painfully slow. There are some add-on cards for the 2000 avail. from Europe but they cost almost as much as a new C64! The 2000, even with an AT bridge is still a dog & an expensive one to boot! You need a VGA card for real quality & that means a multi-sync monitor since the standard Amiga monitor can't handle VGA. Also with a 12 or 16 mz AT bridge the 7 mz Amiga has trouble keeping up with it's share of the load. Then there's the expense. When I saw what the whole package would cost me I gave up any hope & just bought an AT clone. The reason I left Commodore so readily was because I came to the conclusion that it is a hopelessly screwed up company with the executive musical chairs & all. Their whole corporate attitude just turned me off. Alot of the 'clone' outfits are small companies that still seem to care. I wouldn't deal with IBM itself either for that matter. All in all my decision hasn't worked out too badly. As it turns out, everthing I really want on the Amiga comes out in IBM & usually first, while alot of the IBM stuff, especially Microprose & Origin, doesn't seemed destined to ever see an Amiga version. One last thing, how did most of you cope with the irritating flicker! I was over at a friends & I could hardly stand it! It didn't seem to bother him though. PHIL
JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu (04/20/91)
What flicker? Most games, which it sounds to me like you are interested in, ha ve no flicker. And who cares anyway about flicker when you're running an Amiga 3000. As for the 64 emulators, you guys can whine & moan all you want but the fact is only AMIGA has a 64 emulator, I don't count the 128 as being one because it's just a 64 upgrade. The A64 emulator is the best of them and it is PD. And why not just keep the 64 around if you already have it? I don't think too many people buying AMIGA, IBM, or MAC will really want to run 64 software on th em unless they had or have a 64 to begin with,which many don't. They are going to buy better software that was written for their new computer. Make up your minds, join the future or stay in the past. Jason Koszarsky, JBK4@PSUVM
mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Marc Roussel) (04/20/91)
In article <91108.001753JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu> JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >If you love you Commodore 64 so much then why did you leave >Commodore? Why not? Do you think we owe something to Commodore? What functionality does an Amiga offer that I can't get cheaper elsewhere? The C64 was a great little machine in its day, but no one has convinced me of the Amiga's obvious superiority to Mac's and PC's yet, especially when one considers how much more third-party hardware and software is available for these machines. Marc R. Roussel mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca
XWUU@PURCCVM.BITNET (04/21/91)
Marc Roussel writes..."What functionality does an Amiga offer that I can't get elsewhere for less?..." Man, I hate flame responses, but I've got to ask...Where have you been looking? Either you have a single use need that Amiga cannot fullfill, or you have been seriously misinformed regarding capabilities and pricing. I recently priced systems, not base units, to see how they compared. I can get an Amiga 2500 (or 3000) with an AT bridgeboard (better than 99% compatible with IBM) a Macintosh emulator board that can use nearly all of the Amiga memory, the Macintosh ROM needed to run the emulator, a Mac disk drive (not really needed, but very handy), a second 40 meg hard drive, and a VGA set up for about the same as the cost of a 68030 Mac II model with color. For my money I get: Full Amiga capability and compatibility (worth the $ in its own right) Full (99%+) compatibility with IBM (BTW a 386 board is on the way) Nearly full capability with the Macintosh line All in one machine. What's more, I can run the Amiga and the IBM stuff at the same time (Hey Mac - can you say true multitasking?) All in all, I can find no job or software type that the Amiga cannot handle. There are many titles not found in the Amiga world - that's true - but the same job can be done by using a different title! To boot, the PD and share- ware library for the Amiga is the largest one to date (don't quote me, but My research found more titles of real applications ( not just 1-2-3 macros and desktop accessories) in the Amiga library that mac and IBM combined. The Amiga support network - exclusive of Commodore proper- is also more extensive. Look at the net lists, and read the postings. It seems to me that the level of expertise and experimentation in the Amiga world is higher than in the IBM or Mac worlds. Sorry if this is all so inappropriate - I STILL love my little C64 (1983 model) I owe NOTHING to Commodore as a corporation; they aee notorious for not taking care of people after sales, but the level of power and the level of after market (third party) support by the Amiga community is NOT lacking, but rather impressive indeed. KAJ xwuu@purccvm
cshamis@desire.wright.edu (04/23/91)
> Make up your minds, join the future or stay in the past. > > Jason Koszarsky, JBK4@PSUVM I dont want to start an argument but, I dont remeber you being invited into this area. (Well, no matter no one else was either) Still, the fact remains that you come into a Commodore Group and start trashing the C64, and 128. I dont know if its just me, but I find that HIGHLY offensive. First of all if you want to stir up a hornets nest I THINK that there is a group called ALT.FLAMES. Second of all there are about 7 or 8 AMIGA groups on NEWS allready. If you want to go on ranting and raving and BRAGGING about your amiga get out of this group. """""""" In MY opinion Commodore and Commodore-Amiga are two DIFFRENT companies. (If i have offened anyone else other than to which this message was directed I apologize) CShamis@Desire.Wright.Edu ---===---===---===---===---
JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu (04/25/91)
I apologize for offending any of you with the last line of my previous post. I didn't mean it to be a flame against the 64/128s. I wasn't comparing the 64 t o an AMIGA or to an IBM or any other new machine. I meant that if you are buy ing an IBM or AMIGA or whatever that you should USE IT. To buy a new machine(I BM) to run an older machine's(64) software doesn't make much sense unless you'r e doing it for nostalgia. As I had said before, only people who have/had 64s would be interested in an Emulator. If you want to run your old 64 stuff then keep the 64. Even though I have an Amiga, I still have my 64 laying around so that whenever I get the urge to play one of my old favorites I can. I think th at the likelyhood of seeing a 64-board for the IBM is nil, the same goes for a 64-board on an Amiga. But if you want to emulate, Amiga is the only one that will. Again, I apologize for any of you that were offended, no flame was intended. Jason Koszarsky, JBK4@PSUVM
root@zswamp.uucp (Geoffrey Welsh) (04/28/91)
>From: JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu >I apologize for offending any of you with the last line of >my previous post. I don't remember your posting exactly, but I suspect that you don't really have much to apologize for. This is a forum for C64 and C128 users; most are fiercely loyal; many have intentionally turned away from the evolving computer marketplace; *all* are spoiled by the exceptional longevity of the 64 and the support it received over the years. The problem is that support for the 64 has been too good. The 64 and its relatives are doing things today that they were never meant to do, and users have come to *expect* that. It's awfully hard to conduct a discussion with a Commodore user on whether a certain project is really worth the effort. To them, the result is *always* worth it... and they often don't stop to think of the effort that goes into these miracles. We've been through these stages with people who want ZMODEM, DesBBS, and other nifty things. The 64 bridgeboard for the PC is just the latest project idea and I regret as much as anyone that it will *probably* never be done - but not enough to spend the time & money to do it myself. <grin> -- Geoffrey Welsh - Operator, Izot's Swamp BBS (FidoNet 1:221/171) root@zswamp.uucp or ..uunet!watmath!xenitec!zswamp!root 602-66 Mooregate Crescent, Kitchener, ON, N2M 5E6 Canada (519)741-9553 "He who claims to know everything can't possibly know much" -me