jfn@titleist.Eng.Sun.COM (Jamie Nelson) (09/20/90)
Where and when is the next (may I think decus) after Las Vegas thanks jamie
quodling@bunyip.enet.dec.com (Peter Quodling) (09/21/90)
In article <142779@sun.Eng.Sun.COM>, jfn@titleist.Eng.Sun.COM (Jamie Nelson) writes... >Where and when is the next (may I think decus) after Las Vegas > > The next U.S. DECUS is to be held in Las Vegas, from the 10th to the 14th of December 1990. (Pre-symposia Seminars occure on the 8th and 9th.) It should then go back to Atlanta, for May 6-10,1991. Peter Quodling Internet: quodling@blumon.enet.dec.com Digital Equipment Corporation UUCP: ...!decwrl!blumon.enet!quodling Nashua, NH. I disclaim everything!!!
jeh@dcs.simpact.com (09/22/90)
In article <15489@shlump.nac.dec.com>, quodling@bunyip.enet.dec.com (Peter Quodling) writes: > ... > It should then go back to Atlanta, for May 6-10,1991. It *will* go back to Atlanta. Whether or not it *should* go back there is something which a lot of attendees of the last Atlanta DECUS would very much like to question. :-( --- Jamie Hanrahan, Simpact Associates, San Diego CA Chair, VMSnet [DECUS uucp] and Internals Working Groups, DECUS VAX Systems SIG Internet: jeh@dcs.simpact.com, or if that fails, jeh@crash.cts.com Uucp: ...{crash,scubed,decwrl}!simpact!jeh
todd@slammer.UUCP (Todd Merriman) (09/24/90)
In article <1631.26fabe84@dcs.simpact.com> jeh@dcs.simpact.com writes: >> ... >> It should then go back to Atlanta, for May 6-10,1991. > >It *will* go back to Atlanta. Whether or not it *should* go back there is >something which a lot of attendees of the last Atlanta DECUS would very much >like to question. :-( Why? Todd Merriman Software Toolz, Inc. 8030 Pooles Mill Dr., Ball Ground, GA 30107-9610 todd@slammer.UUCP, V-mail (800) 869-3878, (404) 889-8264
osa538b@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (Alan Chee) (09/24/90)
In article <15489@shlump.nac.dec.com>, quodling@bunyip.enet.dec.com (Peter Quodling) writes: > > The next U.S. DECUS is to be held in Las Vegas, from the 10th to the 14th of > December 1990. (Pre-symposia Seminars occure on the 8th and 9th.) > > It should then go back to Atlanta, for May 6-10,1991. > > Peter Quodling Internet: quodling@blumon.enet.dec.com > Digital Equipment Corporation UUCP: ...!decwrl!blumon.enet!quodling > Nashua, NH. I disclaim everything!!! pray tell, has the registration forms for Las Vegas gone out yet ? How does one in faraway Australia _ENSURE_ getting hold of such forms ? thank-you -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alan Chee, | internet: alanC@VAXC.cc.monash.edu.au P.O. Box 413, World Trade Centre, | X.25: PSI%AUSTPAC.0505224122018::chee Melbourne, Vic. AUSTRALIA 3005 | voice: +61 3 345 4717 (BH) -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
bm17+@andrew.cmu.edu (Bruce R. Miller) (09/26/90)
> Excerpts from netnews.comp.org.decus: 23-Sep-90 Re: Location and dates > of M.. Todd Merriman@slammer.UU (477) > >It *will* go back to Atlanta. Whether or not it *should* go back there > is > >something which a lot of attendees of the last Atlanta DECUS would very > much > >like to question. :-( > Why? I can't speak for everyone, of course, but the general reaction in my circles seems to be: "Atlanta? Beatiful city, but boring as hell...". I'd like to see DECUS back in New Orleans next year. I mean, we don't all go there just for the sessions. I usually only find half a dozen sessions that interest me. I go to talk to people and when I'm not doing that, it's nice to have something fun to do. Anyways, sorry if this isn't the right place to bring this up. I think is would be a good idea for people to bring up the interesting things they've found in Atlanta so that we'll know next time we're there. How about comp.org.decus.blow-off...? -bruce r miller CMU NetDev
bruce@ccavax.camb.com (09/26/90)
>>>It *will* go back to Atlanta. Whether or not it *should* go back there is >>>something which a lot of attendees of the last Atlanta DECUS would very much >>>like to question. :-( >> >> Why? Is that "WHY" is it going back, or WHY some attendees would question the sanity of anyone suggesting using THAT city. Perhaps the city will issue us all gun permits and their armorer will hand out weapons as we leave the airport for our hotels. That way we will have a slight chance of being on equal footing with the other folks encountered on the street. Apparently the armed robber working in front of our hotel was quite well dressed, and aroused no suspision. I think someone was holding the door for him just before he robbed them! One of the hotels sleezed out of some complimentary breakfast commitments and that one should NOT be an 'official' Decus hotel next time. Although it was said that the cops had cleaned up some of the normal street folk in front of the bus station (between the convention center and most hotels), many found running the gauntlet through them quite unpleasant. Scheduling that many people into a city is non trivial, and there are only a few cities left DECUS can squeeze into. Changing plans is not simple. I believe there was enough upset that the board did have to review going there again. Apparently they decided to not change the site. And I remember going out for shaving cream late one night back in '82 or when ever a previous Decus was there. A lady cop decided it was a poor idea for me to be out getting shaving cream, and tried to scare me off. I persisted, so she got permission from her dispatcher to drive me (some liability issue normally prevents them giving lifts unless you are under arrest). She drove me to get the shaving cream, and then back to the hotel. Take the message any way you like...
mccurdy@ucselx.sdsu.edu (mccurdy m) (09/26/90)
In article <Yazw1hS00aMeMRfDBJ@andrew.cmu.edu> bm17+@andrew.cmu.edu (Bruce R. Miller) writes: > >I can't speak for everyone, of course, but the general reaction >in my circles seems to be: "Atlanta? Beatiful city, but boring as >hell...". I'd like to see DECUS back in New Orleans next year. > >I mean, we don't all go there just for the sessions. I usually only >find half a dozen sessions that interest me. I go to talk to people >and when I'm not doing that, it's nice to have something fun to do. I've never been to Decus in Atlanta but it seems to me that in order to find whatever it is that you consider to be unboring in any city, you'll need to do some research beforehand - certainly you can turn up something, especially in a city like Atlanta, that meets your requirements for interest. If it's just partying your brains out, there's got to be plenty of places for that. Although, New Orleans certainly is an interesting place ... -mike -- Mike McCurdy * mccurdy@ucselx.sdsu.edu *
jeh@dcs.simpact.com (09/27/90)
In article <Yazw1hS00aMeMRfDBJ@andrew.cmu.edu>, bm17+@andrew.cmu.edu (Bruce R. Miller) writes: > >> [Jamie Hanrahan writes:] >> >It *will* go back to Atlanta. Whether or not it *should* go back there is >> >something which a lot of attendees of the last Atlanta DECUS would very >> >much like to question. :-( > >> Why? Because Atlanta was the most obviously dangerous city that many of us had ever seen. There were many reports of drug pushers within half a block of the hq hotels, for example. > I can't speak for everyone, of course, but the general reaction > in my circles seems to be: "Atlanta? Beatiful city, but boring as > hell...". I'd like to see DECUS back in New Orleans next year. Let me point out that all of this discussion is moot. Site selection for US DECUS Symposia is like steering an oil tanker (no Exxon Valdez jokes please, that's not the point.) ... you plan maneuvers a LONG time in advance, and there is no such thing as a last-minute change. Early this year I saw a schedule with tentative dates and locations all the way out to 2004. We're going back to Atlanta not only in '91 but also in '92 and '93. Spring '94 is in New Orleans. > I mean, we don't all go there just for the sessions. I usually only > find half a dozen sessions that interest me. I go to talk to people > and when I'm not doing that, it's nice to have something fun to do. I agree completely and I'll bet the folks on the Symposium Committees do too. But finding a meeting place for a Symposium is a non-trivial problem even without requiring that there be fun things to do nearby. > Anyways, sorry if this isn't the right place to bring this up. I think > is would be a good idea for people to bring up the interesting things > they've found in Atlanta so that we'll know next time we're there. > How about comp.org.decus.blow-off...? traffic in comp.org.decus is low enough that there shouldn't be a problem holding the discussion here. --- Jamie Hanrahan, Simpact Associates, San Diego CA Chair, VMSnet [DECUS uucp] and Internals Working Groups, DECUS VAX Systems SIG Internet: jeh@dcs.simpact.com, or if that fails, jeh@crash.cts.com Uucp: ...{crash,scubed,decwrl}!simpact!jeh
mcmahon@tgv.com (John 'Fast-Eddie' McMahon) (09/27/90)
#Because Atlanta was the most obviously dangerous city that many of us had ever #seen. There were many reports of drug pushers within half a block of the hq #hotels, for example. I heard several stories like that, the only one I can speak to is that walking from the Marriott (HQ hotel) to the Congress Center [past the infamous bus station] got a little scarier each day. I ended up switching to the bus for all my trips back and forth. #> Anyways, sorry if this isn't the right place to bring this up. I think #> is would be a good idea for people to bring up the interesting things #> they've found in Atlanta so that we'll know next time we're there. #> How about comp.org.decus.blow-off...? Hmm... perhaps the symposium committee should draft a LUG in the area to write a "guide to neat things in Atlanta". The same goes for Las Vegas, San Francisco, Argentina, Santa Cruz... wherever :-) It sure as hell won't make it into UPDATE.DAILY given the new and "improved" editorial nonsense. John McMahon TGV Inc / DECUS UNISIG Steering Committee
) (09/27/90)
In article <1631.26fabe84@dcs.simpact.com>, jeh@dcs.simpact.com writes: > It *will* go back to Atlanta. Whether or not it *should* go back there is > something which a lot of attendees of the last Atlanta DECUS would very much > like to question. :-( Amen! Hmmm, let's see. I saw one guy get mugged in front of the Marriott. I NEVER walked on the street after dusk without being propositioned by a pimp AND a dealer. I'm not joking! It was, for some sick reason, funny that the DECUS `souvenir' was a pen knife! Jot this one down: The Gold Club 2416 Piedmont Rd. N.E. Atlanta 233-1210 Free limo rides from town if you call them or take the subway (which for some odd reason I thought was pretty safe) to the LINDBERGH stop. A good time for all (males, that is).
brodie@fps.mcw.edu (09/27/90)
In article <1990Sep26.213529@tgv.com>, mcmahon@tgv.com (John 'Fast-Eddie' McMahon) writes: > > I heard several stories like that, the only one I can speak to is that walking > from the Marriott (HQ hotel) to the Congress Center [past the infamous bus > station] got a little scarier each day. I ended up switching to the bus for > all my trips back and forth. ...due to late registration, I ended up at the AMERICAN hotel, which was situated ACROSS THE STREET fromthe "infamous" bus station. Even though I'm 6'2" and pretty hefty, *I* don't walkthe streets armed to the teeth (although it might be a chance for me to try out my chainmail vest next time!, but there's something about 40 pounds of steel armor that just MIGHT make the airport security folks a little nevous...) ------ Kent C. Brodie - Sr. Systems Manager internet: brodie@fps.mcw.edu Faculty Physicians & Surgeons uucpnet: uwm.edu!fps!brodie Medical College of Wisconsin voicenet: +1 414 778 4500 faxnet: +1 414 778 6694 "*mmmmm*. This must be where pies go when they die..." -Agent Cooper, 'Twin Peaks'
sysmgr@KING.ENG.UMD.EDU (Doug Mohney) (09/27/90)
In article <1990Sep26.213529@tgv.com>, mcmahon@tgv.com (John 'Fast-Eddie' McMahon) writes: >#Because Atlanta was the most obviously dangerous city that many of us had ever >#seen. There were many reports of drug pushers within half a block of the hq >#hotels, for example. > >I heard several stories like that, the only one I can speak to is that walking >from the Marriott (HQ hotel) to the Congress Center [past the infamous bus >station] got a little scarier each day. I ended up switching to the bus for >all my trips back and forth. I was down there for a Head Start convention 2 years ago and there was a firefight late one evening in front of one of the conference hotels. >#> Anyways, sorry if this isn't the right place to bring this up. I think >#> is would be a good idea for people to bring up the interesting things >#> they've found in Atlanta so that we'll know next time we're there. >#> How about comp.org.decus.blow-off...? > >Hmm... perhaps the symposium committee should draft a LUG in the area to write >a "guide to neat things in Atlanta". The same goes for Las Vegas, San >Francisco, Argentina, Santa Cruz... wherever :-) >It sure as hell won't make it into UPDATE.DAILY given the new and "improved" >editorial nonsense. There's always Cheetahs' Elite, right beside the Hilton...
sysmgr@KING.ENG.UMD.EDU (Doug Mohney) (09/28/90)
In article <20103.2701e5bf@merrimack.edu>, rand@merrimack.edu (Bucky ate the cat!) writes: >Jot this one down: > >The Gold Club >2416 Piedmont Rd. N.E. >Atlanta >233-1210 > >Free limo rides from town if you call them or take the subway (which >for some odd reason I thought was pretty safe) to the LINDBERGH stop. >A good time for all (males, that is). I didn't know they had limo rides. It looked too expensive when I passed it via taxi (and I was in mixed company at the time. For more <ahem> family-style (?) entertainment, there's a Jazz club called Dante's which I've heard is'nt so bad.
jeh@dcs.simpact.com (09/30/90)
In article <1990Sep28.152920.3299@bony1.uucp>, billg@bony1.uucp (Bill W. Gripp) writes: > Why is the Spring DECUS always in the South (it seems to be usually > Atlanta and occasionally New Orleans)? Let's see. This is from memory, I think that the set of cities is correct but I may have a few of the years jumbled: 84 Cincinnati 85 New Orleans 86 Dallas 87 Nashville 88 Cincinnati 89 Atlanta 90 New Orleans 91 Atlanta 92 Atlanta 93 Atlanta 94 New Orleans I guess you could say that it's usually been in the south in the last few years. (Note, a few of these dates may be mixed up. It's hard to remember that far back. Let's see, where were LAVCs announced again? :-) > If it has to be in the south > there are other options. What's wrong with ORLANDO, they have > conventions there and DISNEY WORLD too =:^). A future Spring DECUS is pencilled in for Orlando, but it's far enough in the future that I don't want to mention dates. I expect that it would have been done sooner except for lack of facilities -- see below. > How about Nashville or Dallas It's been done; see above. Nashville, by the way, was not well-liked. Meeting facilities were barely adequate, and anyone who had to stay elsewhere than at the HQ hotel was WAY off in the boonies. > Then there's always New York impossibly high room rates. > Boston Same comment as for Orlando, above. Until the completion of their new convention facilities, Boston won't/didn't have room for us. > or Cleveland =:^). > Toronto or Montreal would be nice. I know, > let's make it in Halifax so we can all get some really good LOX =:^}. Um, this is the U.S. DECUS Symposium we're talking about. The Canadian DECUS Chapter has its own national symposia, which you are free to attend. > Then there's the fall (winter?) DECUS. Hey I like Anaheim (DISNEY LAND > is great) but howabout San Diego, Seattle (nice town), Vancover BC, > Denver or Salt Lake City once in a while? Or SFO. We were there in '86 and will be returning soon. In all these cases the answer is lack of available facilities -- in some cases lack of facilities, period. We're pencilled in to return to San Diego (now that the new convention center is open) in the future. You'll hate the room rates, though; this is a tourist town and the hotels don't need to give much of an edge to convention-goers. > All this talk about ATLANTA as the only suitable site is really bogus. No, it isn't. Although DECUS is only a medium-sized meeting in terms of numbers of attendees (the winter Consumer Electronics Show in Vegas draws many tens of thousands; as I was leaving Chicago one time I was told that the city was expecting over 100,000 for a farm machinery trade show), its facilities requirements are pretty unusual. We need one very large meeting room, several large meeting rooms, plus other meeting rooms of various sizes, for about 15 program tracks total, PLUS small meeting rooms for BOF meetings and the like, plus space for the campgrounds, the Update.Daily room, the rooms needed by the audio taping people, etc. *And* we need space for the DEC exhibit hall. *And* we need space to feed lunch to five to ten thousand people every day. And we need all of it relatively close together, with hotel rooms within walking distance or at least a short bus ride away. Now, many convention facilities can provide some subset of this, but not all of it all at once... and of those few that can, you can look a long, LONG way into the future without finding a solid week in which all of it is un-booked. (Oh, and the exhibit hall setup begins in the preceding week, so we need that space for a week and a half.) No one has mentioned Atlanta's good points: We had more than enough room, and it was all under one roof (a damned BIG roof; a slidewalk between the two wings of the convention center would've come in handy!). DEXPO was close at hand, not miles away. And the city offered some really good eating. Disclaimer: I'm not on the Symposium Committee and don't speak for them. I do, however, have some amount of experience putting much smaller conventions into hotels, and when they tell me that "we have no choice at this time but to go back to Atlanta", I know enough about this stuff to believe that this is quite plausible. --- Jamie Hanrahan, Simpact Associates, San Diego CA Chair, VMSnet [DECUS uucp] and Internals Working Groups, DECUS VAX Systems SIG Internet: jeh@dcs.simpact.com, or if that fails, jeh@crash.cts.com Uucp: ...{crash,scubed,decwrl}!simpact!jeh
jms@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Joel M Snyder) (09/30/90)
In article <1990Sep28.152920.3299@bony1.uucp>, billg@bony1.uucp (Bill W. Gripp) writes... >Why is the Spring DECUS always in the South (it seems to be usually >Atlanta and occasionally New Orleans)? You haven't been paying attention for very long. DECUS has been in Atlanta once in the past 10 years (and possibly longer), and twice in New Orleans. >How about Nashville or ^ been there >Dallas or Houston or Williamsburg or... Then there's always New York, ^ been there Williamsburg doesn't have facilities for a 7000 person conference. New York and Boston are both seriously too expensive. Cleveland is a possibility, assuming that they have facilities, which I don't believe they do. We've also been to Cincinnatti twice, St. Louis, and Miami (that's as far back as my memory goes). >Boston or Cleveland =:^). Toronto or Montreal would be nice. I know, >let's make it in Halifax so we can all get some really good LOX =:^}. DECUS US Chapter meetings must be held in the US. We have DECUS Canada which meets in Canada. Their meetings are interesting and well attended; you should call them up if you want to go to Toronto or Montreal. > >Then there's the fall (winter?) DECUS. Hey I like Anaheim (DISNEY LAND >is great) but howabout San Diego, Seattle (nice town), Vancover BC, >Denver or Salt Lake City once in a while? San Diego has been, and will be again a site. Seattle is not. Vancouver is in Canada. Denver is not available. SLC does not have facilities. If you really care, and want to think about what you're talking about, instead of randomly naming cities, you should get involved with the DECUS Symposium Committee. They are always looking for motivated people, and it sounds like you're motivated! The best way for you to do that is to pick whichever SIG (not VAX) you find yourself most closely allied with, call its chair, and say "I want to be on Symposium Committee." jms Joel M Snyder, The Mosaic Group, 627 E Speedway, 85705 Phone: 602.626.8680 (University of Arizona, Dep't of MIS, Eller Graduate School of Management) BITNET: jms@arizmis Internet: jms@mis.arizona.edu SPAN: 47541::uamis::jms The best part of Poland is a $2 fine for doing 140 in a 70 zone.
ctp@cs.utexas.edu (Clyde T. Poole) (09/30/90)
In article <1990Sep28.152920.3299@bony1.uucp> billg@bony1.UUCP (Bill W. Gripp) writes: >Why is the Spring DECUS always in the South (it seems to be usually >Atlanta and occasionally New Orleans)? If it has to be in the south >there are other options. What's wrong with ORLANDO, they have >conventions there and DISNEY WORLD too =:^). How about Nashville or >Dallas or Houston or Williamsburg or... Then there's always New York, >Boston or Cleveland =:^). Toronto or Montreal would be nice. I know, >let's make it in Halifax so we can all get some really good LOX =:^}. Spring Symposia have not always been in the South. For MANY years it was almost exclusively in Boston. Currently the problem is size of convention facilities and availability of hotel rooms within reasonable distance. The fact that we must book dates MANY years in advance does not help. Soon the Orlando Convention Center expansion will be completed and added to the east coast city list. The problem with Dallas is the distance of most hotel rooms from the Convention Center. Boston will be back on the list when the construction of their new expressway is completed. Currently it is not possible to run the DECUS hotel bus service there in a reasonable way. New York and Chicago are eliminated because of cost. Miami has reasonable facilities but will probably never be considered again because of the trouble the society had there last time. >Then there's the fall (winter?) DECUS. Hey I like Anaheim (DISNEY LAND >is great) but howabout San Diego, Seattle (nice town), Vancover BC, >Denver or Salt Lake City once in a while? Currently Anaheim and Las Vegas are the only west coast cities able to handle Symposia. Both San Francisco (sp?) and San Diego are expanding their convention centers and will be added to the host city list. Vancover BC is not in the US. I don't know about Denver and Salt Lake City but I suspect they do not meet one or more criteria. >All this talk about ATLANTA as the only suitable site is really bogus. >And with all the bad rap about 'A' on the net, who really wants to go >there anyway? Despite all the mumbling about Atlanta, it was a good place for our meetings. I am NOT on the Symposia Committee, so the above is not "official" but I do believe it to be reasonably accurate. ctp ----- Clyde T. Poole - Technical Coordinator, Facilities and Equipment (in real life) DECUS U. S. Chapter, CommComm Chair and Member of the MC (in my spare time) Univ. of Texas at Austin ARPA/CSnet/NSFnet: ctp@cs.utexas.edu Dept. of Computer Sciences UUCP: {uunet,harvard}!cs.utexas.edu!ctp Taylor Hall 2.124 BITNET: ctp@UTADNX SPAN: UTSPAN::UTADNX::CTP Austin, TX 78712-1188 VOICE: (512) 471-9551 FAX: (512) 471-0548
davidc@montagar.lonestar.org (David L. Cathey, SYSOP) (09/30/90)
In article <0093D575.92197BE0@KING.ENG.UMD.EDU>, sysmgr@KING.ENG.UMD.EDU (Doug Mohney) writes: > > There's always Cheetahs' Elite, right beside the Hilton... It's amazing what you can sneak into your per-diem, isn't it??? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - David L. Cathey |INET: davidc@montagar.lonestar.org "Can't have everything, where would you |UUCP: ...!letni!montagar!davidc put it?"-Steven Wright "Everywhere!"-Me |Fone: (214)-618-2117
cts@dragon.uucp (Charles T. Smith, Jr.) (10/01/90)
Organization: Computer Projects Unlimited Lines: 23 As a resident of the greater Atlanta area, I get the local papers and local radio, and yes, the condition of the areas around the convention center have not gone unnoticed. Groups (including DECUS, I expect) have expressed their views to the city administration, as well as a number of individual letters. (I've also heard someone mailed the mayors office, the convention bureau, and public safty director a copy of a computer bulliten board where Atlanta was discussed in rather negative terms; I suspect this may have come from DECUServe) In any case, some steps have been taken to clean up the area, including better lighting, more cops, motorcycle patrols, and so forth. There have also been efforts to get the homeless out of the area. At least one of these programs is under court challenge, claiming that Atlanta is merely trying to get the homeless away from the convention people rather than trying to solve the problems. Also, with the Olympics coming to Atlanta in 96, there is quite a bit of effort to clean things up as well. I expect that when Decus returns in 91, things will be quite a bit nicer.
sysmgr@KING.ENG.UMD.EDU (Doug Mohney) (10/01/90)
In article <5090@montagar.lonestar.org>, davidc@montagar.lonestar.org (David L. Cathey, SYSOP) writes: >In article <0093D575.92197BE0@KING.ENG.UMD.EDU>, sysmgr@KING.ENG.UMD.EDU (Doug Mohney) writes: >> >> There's always Cheetahs' Elite, right beside the Hilton... > > It's amazing what you can sneak into your per-diem, isn't it??? (this shouldn't be here, but....) My per-diem disappeared in about 2 minutes buying beer (amazing how expensive beer can be in such places), and the rest of my available cash was gone within 20 minutes...