chiam@VULCAN.CBA.OHIOU.EDU (Ta Fuh Chiam) (03/29/91)
Since mail to DECUS is available now, when can we expect TELNET access into
DECUServe via Internet?
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Disclaimer: What I have said are my opinions, not of anyone else.dsroberts@biivax.dp.beckman.com (03/29/91)
In article <00946482.ADC56CE0@VULCAN.CBA.OHIOU.EDU>, chiam@VULCAN.CBA.OHIOU.EDU (Ta Fuh Chiam) writes: > Since mail to DECUS is available now, when can we expect TELNET access into ^^^^^ make that "some DECUS leaders" :-) > DECUServe via Internet? > > Ta Fuh Chiam The discussion on DECUSERVE is typically responded to with RSN (real soon now), but the one time I saw someone pin a date on it was a GUESS of July. They claim it is tied up with DEC lawyers, or some such. IMHO: Another good example of the problem with DECUS tied so closely with DEC -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don Roberts Internet: dsroberts@beckman.com Beckman Instruments, Inc. Yellnet: 714/961-3029 2500 Harbor Bl. Mailstop X-12 FAX: 714/961-3351 Fullerton, CA 92634 Disclaimer: Always ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
mcmahon@tgv.com (John McMahon) (03/29/91)
In article <1991Mar28.122223.236@biivax.dp.beckman.com>, dsroberts@biivax.dp.beckman.com writes... :In article <00946482.ADC56CE0@VULCAN.CBA.OHIOU.EDU>, chiam@VULCAN.CBA.OHIOU.EDU (Ta Fuh Chiam) writes: :> Since mail to DECUS is available now, when can we expect TELNET access into : ^^^^^ make that "some DECUS leaders" :-) :> DECUServe via Internet? :> :> Ta Fuh Chiam Clarification: E-mail to DECUServe is an established fact. The DECUServe folks, along with the VMSnet working group have had it established for some time. From the Internet to DECUServe you can use the addressing "username@eisner.decus.org". As of last week, the DECUS Leadership Computer (DCS) was opened up for E-mail. You can send mail to "username@topaz.decus.org". It works, but is considered by the folks who set it up not to be 100% reliable yet. There are other address schemes for "topaz.decus.org" that (hopefully) someone with more DECUServe experience can explain. I only have a DCS account currently. The technology behind this current link is a UUCP phone circuit between simpact and eisner, with a DECnet Ethernet circuit between eisner and topaz. :The discussion on DECUSERVE is typically responded to with RSN (real soon now), :but the one time I saw someone pin a date on it was a GUESS of July. They :claim it is tied up with DEC lawyers, or some such. I would expect the hardware to be in place in May. The contracts for a Fractional T1 to NEARnet have been signed, and within 60 days (probably down to 45 by now) the circuit will be in place. The TCP/IP software licenses for topaz and eisner are still under negotiation. :IMHO: Another good example of the problem with DECUS tied so closely with DEC IMHO: Without the help of the DECUS MIS staff (who are all DEC employees) I think it would have taken much longer to get this far. Disclaimer: This is all based on memos, notes conferences, and discussions I have had with various people involved in this project. I have some limited involvement in the project, but I don't make any decisions :-) John 'Fast-Eddie' McMahon : MCMAHON@TGV.COM : TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TGV, Incorporated : : T GGGGGGG V V 603 Mission Street : HAVK (abha) Gur bayl : T G V V Santa Cruz, California 95060 : bcrengvat flfgrz gb : T G GGGG V V 408-427-4366 or 800-TGV-3440 : or qrfgeblrq ol znvy : T GGGGGGG V
dsroberts@biivax.dp.beckman.com (03/30/91)
In article <1991Mar28.213803.13906@news.arc.nasa.gov>, mcmahon@tgv.com (John McMahon) writes: > Clarification: E-mail to DECUServe is an established fact. The DECUServe > folks, along with the VMSnet working group have had it established for some > time. From the Internet to DECUServe you can use the addressing > "username@eisner.decus.org". I only pointed out the decus leader part because that is the "new" thing :-) I have been receiving and sending mail to the decuserve system for at least four months now. In fact I currently have my decuserve mail forwarded, via the uucp link, to my home system. > > As of last week, the DECUS Leadership Computer (DCS) was opened up for E-mail. > You can send mail to "username@topaz.decus.org". It works, but is considered > by the folks who set it up not to be 100% reliable yet. > > There are other address schemes for "topaz.decus.org" that (hopefully) someone > with more DECUServe experience can explain. I only have a DCS account > currently. > The uucp link is set up such that mail to "username@decus.org" will get delivered to the correct place whether eisner or topaz. (per Hanrahan in the PUBLIC_DOMAIN conference, as I interpret it). It just depends which system has "username" > :The discussion on DECUSERVE is typically responded to with RSN (real soon now), > :but the one time I saw someone pin a date on it was a GUESS of July. They > :claim it is tied up with DEC lawyers, or some such. > > I would expect the hardware to be in place in May. The contracts for a > Fractional T1 to NEARnet have been signed, and within 60 days (probably down to > 45 by now) the circuit will be in place. Okay, one more time. Hardware in place in May. Okay. within 60 days from then. Okay. May + 60 days = July. :-) > > The TCP/IP software licenses for topaz and eisner are still under negotiation. > > :IMHO: Another good example of the problem with DECUS tied so closely with DEC > > IMHO: Without the help of the DECUS MIS staff (who are all DEC employees) I > think it would have taken much longer to get this far. > Well, you are quite welcome to your opinion, but the implicit reasoning in your statement is that if the DECUS MIS staff were NOT DEC employees they would not have been as competent for setting this up? I am SURE you didn't really mean that. :-) Disclaimer: This is all based on discussions in several conferences on the DECUSERVE system that I have read and participated in. As I understand it :-) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don Roberts Internet: dsroberts@beckman.com Beckman Instruments, Inc. Yellnet: 714/961-3029 2500 Harbor Bl. Mailstop X-12 FAX: 714/961-3351 Fullerton, CA 92634 Disclaimer: Always ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
klr@hadron.COM (Kurt L. Reisler) (03/31/91)
In article <1991Mar29.125148.238@biivax.dp.beckman.com> dsroberts@biivax.dp.beckman.com writes: >In article <1991Mar28.213803.13906@news.arc.nasa.gov>, mcmahon@tgv.com (John McMahon) writes: >> Clarification: E-mail to DECUServe is an established fact. The DECUServe >> folks, along with the VMSnet working group have had it established for some >> time. From the Internet to DECUServe you can use the addressing >> "username@eisner.decus.org". > >> :IMHO: Another good example of the problem with DECUS tied so closely with >> DEC >> >> IMHO: Without the help of the DECUS MIS staff (who are all DEC employees) I >> think it would have taken much longer to get this far. >> >Well, you are quite welcome to your opinion, but the implicit reasoning in your >statement is that if the DECUS MIS staff were NOT DEC employees they would not >have been as competent for setting this up? I am SURE you didn't really mean >that. :-) In point of fact, if it were not for the DEC employees who are involved with DECUS, both as members of the DECUS staff, and as counterparts to the various SIGs, and those who contribute as speakers and staffing the exhibit floor, there would be no DCS, no symposium no DECUS and nothing for you to be grousing about would there? If you have some suggestion as to how DECUS could exhist without any ties to DEC, I know that I would be interested, as would the Board and the Management council, as would Digital. Kurt Reisler (703) 359-6100 ============================================================================ UNISIG Chairman, DECUS US Chapter | Hadron, Inc. ..!{uunet|sundc|rlgvax|netxcom|decuac}!hadron!klr | 9990 Lee Highway Sysop, Fido 109/101 The Bear's Den (703) 671-0598 | Fairfax, VA 22030
jeh@dcs.simpact.com (03/31/91)
> The uucp link is set up such that mail to "username@decus.org" will get > delivered to the correct place whether eisner or topaz. (per Hanrahan in the > PUBLIC_DOMAIN conference, as I interpret it). It just depends which system > has "username" No, it won't. decus.org is treated as equivalent to eisner.decus.org, and if the username in question doesn't exist on eisner, no go. Sorry about that. --- Jamie Hanrahan (x1116), Simpact Associates, San Diego CA Chair, VMS Internals Working Group, U.S. DECUS VAX Systems SIG Internet: jeh@dcs.simpact.com, or if that fails, jeh@crash.cts.com Uucp: ...{crash,scubed,decwrl}!simpact!jeh