[comp.sys.mac] Summary of answers to my laserwriter questions

chuq@sun.uucp (Chuq Von Rospach; Lord of the OtherRealms) (11/20/86)

A while ago, I sent out a note asking for help on a number of
laserwriter related questions.  I got LOTS of answers -- thank you!
Since others may well have similar questions, I'm summarizing what I
found out.  My comments are [bracketed] and everyone elses are in
semi-random order.  Since a lot of people wrote in with the same
information, I'll pulled all the names and taken representative
comments to keep the size reasonable.

Thanks to everyone for the information and the help.

> First of all, am I going to have trouble hooking it up to my system?  I'm
> currently running a Paradise hard disk off of the printer port, an
> Imagewriter/Thunderscan and a modem off of an A/B switch on the modem port.
> Appletalk also plugs into the modem port, right?  ...
>(note: since the LW can't do mailing labels, I can't completely retire the
>Imagewriter, although the Thunderscan may be retired soon).

[Appletalk plugs into the printer port.  In my specific case, I can
plug the paradise into the modem port, so there is no problem.  It is
also possible to A/B switch Appletalk and a modem of the printer port,
but I've been warned not to put modem control stuff out Appletalk, as
it might make life interesting.

The long term 'fix' is to upgrade to a mac+ and get a SCSI disk, but
the current siuation is workable without the Thunderscanner.  This is
no big deal, since I find the Thunderscanner doesn't really do what I
need it to do --  I'm going to look for a firm that has a 300dpi
scanner I can rent time on instead.

Oh, I was very wrong on the fact that the LW can't do labels.  It can,
and you can get sheets of labels that can be hand fed into it.  So I
probably won't need to keep the Imagewriter (one less toy to cable
in...)]

> Question #2.  How well in reality does bitmapped (i.e. MacPaint) art and
> graphics reproduce?  Am I (as an example) going to want to upgrade to
> SuperPaint so I can do Postscript graphics? Has anyone played with the
> new Postscript clip art starting to come out? Is SuperPaint better than
> MacDraw?  What are the tradeoffs?

With the new LaserWriter drivers (which have been out for a few months
now) bitmapped graphics, like MacPaint graphics, will come out
beautifully.  They finally implemented the printing right, so you can
tell the LaserWriter that you'd like your MacPaint bitmaps smoothed, or
not. As far as reproduction quality, you've nothing to worry about. I
haven't tried SuperPaint, so I can't comment on it. I use MacDraw for
any drawing tasks I have, since I generally don't deal with bitmapped
images. On the Laserwriter, MacDraw produces some of the most fantastic
output I've ever seen. It's pretty compatible with MacPaint, so you can
paste in a bitmap from MacPaint, and mess around with it, and print it out...

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MacPaint images pasted into true LW pages look pretty poor -- the
larger dots really leap out at you.  What you could do is paste them in
at 1 Mac pixel to 1 LW pixel (they would come out 1/4 the size), but I
have no idea how you do this.  The latest issue of 'Colophon', Adobe
Systems' News Publication, says that it used GrayPaint(tm) software
from Fractal Software; I imagine this lets you work with bitmaps at the
high resolution of the LW.

There's also a product called Bill's Ultimate Bitmap Editor, or
something, which simplifies editing 300dpi stuff.  It was mentioned in
some recent Mac magazine (MacUser? Macazine?).

You need a special bitmap editor because at 300dpi it's incredibly
time- consuming to work on a dots by dots basis.

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Macpaint won't print any worse then on the imagewriter. The one thing
is until you get a laserwriter you don't realize how bad (+ noisy) the
image writer is. In fact if you turn on smoothing, the lw will make
somethings look better. BUT 300dpi lines are NEAT.

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the main problem with the LaserWriter is that programs such as MacDraw
do not align the bitmaps properly with object text, no WYSIWYG.
SuperPaint does.

No program is practical for editing 300 dpi bitmaps, unless it includes
AI.  You can certainly do it with SuperPaint, but it will take all day
(according to the president of Silicon Beach) to do anything sizable,
so it seems most appropriate for recurring artwork.

In short, 72 dpi bitmaps from MacPaint or FullPaint turn into 75 dpi
bitmaps, shrunk 4%.  What a LaserWriter means is that you use MacDraw
or SuperPaint to draw objects whereever possible.

I'm using MacDraw and SuperPaint for my book, but MacDraw has a number
of annoying bugs (e.g., it remembers fonts by position, not name or
number, so if you read a doc on another system disk, all your fonts
have changed!) and made some illustrations with SuperPaint that could
have not been done with either {Mac,Full}Paint or MacDraw.

I will use SuperPaint exclusively once I get 1.0; the only thing
missing now is align to grid, which I use all the time, particularly
for sizing boxes.  For using the LaserWriter, you can't beat object
manipulation in FatBits-style.

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You will definitely want to use a program such as Draw to get the
maximum quality from drawings on the Laserwriter.  I write papers for
my Microeconomics Theory class here that usually have several graphs
with lines and arcs illustrating the point I am making, and I will
never go back to Paint for this kind of stuff for output on the
Laserwriter.  You see, if you use bit-mapped graphics, which are 72dpi
(I think), you can't take advantage of the Laserwriter's outstanding
300dpi resolution.  And it makes a huge difference.  I don't know about
Superpaint, but MacDraw yields really professional quality
illustrations on the Laserwriter.

As for your letterhead, why not design one in MacDraw using the Laser
fonts?  It should look really nice with the Laserwriter's high
resolution.

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I think that SuperPaint is pretty neat.  Especially the LaserBits
stuff.  I think that it is easily better than MacDraw if you want to be
doing things where it is useful to have both a bitmap layer and an
object layer.  Especially when you want to do some really deatailed
bitmaps for printing on the Laser.

> Question #3.  Does anyone know of a grahics librarian for PICT stuff?
> Picturebase (?) does it for macpaint bitmap stuff, but not for macdraw
> format graphics.  Am I stuck with the Scrapbook for now?
[Editorial comment.  Bad choice of words.  What I meant to ask about was
	macdraw object (not PICT) format, which nobody to date supports.]

Picturebase is one.  I don't know of others.  Why would you be stuck
with the Scrapbook?  Why not just store them as MacPaint pictures.  If
you do use SuperPaint, MacPublisher, or what have you, there's a DA
that allows you to copy from any MacPaint file from anywhere, so...

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Both Microsoft File and Business Filevision will store PICT stuff.  I
have not extensive experience with File and PICTS, so there might be
some hidden problems.  WIth Business Filevision, however, I am sure
that this works fine (that's becasue I designed Business Filevision and
wrote the part that files PICTs - so if it doesn't really work for you
you will know who to complain to!).  I believe the street price on
either of these programs is under $200.

> Question #4.  What are your favorite laser fonts?  Now that I'm not going
> to be limited to 72dpi, I want to pick up a few distinctive typefaces for
> some of my stuff.  I particularly would like to find a good London style
> Old English font, if it exists.  What other fonts are available, and
> which ones do you like?

Call up Adobe (800)45-ADOBE to ask for a brochure on fonts and find
your nearest font dealer.  I would advise against going with anyone
else's fonts unless you really see all of them at a lot of different
styles and sizes.  Poorly designed LW fonts look even worse than all
the ImageWriter junk fonts.

There is an article in the Nov 12th Bay Area Mac Classifieds on
'Unusual Type Effects with Downloadable Fonts' (together with some ugly
sample fonts).  With an ordinary LW you can only download 2 fonts per
document (2 per text block in Page Maker), so if you want to use lots
of fancy fonts, you should think about getting a LW+.

If you buy a font designer program, you can in theory put somewhat
sophisticated clip art in the font, and bypass MacDraw/MacPaint altogether.

All the Adobe fonts are good looking.  ITC Lubalin Graph is kinda
techy, Optima is cool, ITC Souvenir and Palatino are easy to read...
have fun!

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The only one I've tried is Bodoni from the Cassady folks.  I wasn't all
that impresses.  I read somewhere that there are now over 100
PostScript fonts, so...

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Since I do a lot of technical writing, my preferred font is Times 14.
It's not distinctive, but it is easy to read. Keep in mind that with
the new drivers, ANY Macintosh font can be downloaded, so if you have
some really nifty public-domain font, you don't have to worry. It'll
look as good, and in many cases better, than what you see on the
screen. So go ahead and use your London, and enjoy...

New Century Schoolbook, or Optima (you have to buy this from Adobe
though).  Garramond is big as shit, and will not all load into the
laserwriter with laser prep.  Remember, A LaserWriter requires the
space for the LaserPrep file, unless you run JustText, which cranks
pure postcript.

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By all means be sure to get the *complete* set of Apple laserwriter
fonts.  They are professionally designed fonts, and far better than any
of the other fonts I've seen.  My favorite font is "Palatino", which is
a Roman font with serifs and a somewhat rounded, "modern" look to it
(but the serifs make it look much better than a lot of the sans-serif
modern fonts).  The "N Helvetica" (narrow helvetica) is also good for
captioning figures.  There is also a font called "ZAPF Dingbats" which
contains a lot of professionally-designed dingbats.

For some reason the existence of these fonts is not well-known around
here, so they may be hard to find without searching.  I found them on
one of the Software Supplement disks (*not* the "Printer Install" disk)
which simply says "LaserWriter Fonts: Macintosh Format--Single Sided,
(C) Feb. 1986 Apple Computer, Inc." and which says (in the Get Info
box) "Laserwriter Fonts 1.0".  One of our folks here who keeps track of
all the disks claims that some of the fonts are out of date, and he
thought maybe those were, but they have worked fine for me on our
LaserWriter Plus.  The really good fonts are in the file called
"Laserwriter Plus Fonts".  It may be that the disk also comes with the
Laserwriter nowadays since I notice our Laserwriter Plus manual has the
copyright information on those fonts in it.

> Question #5.  What do you recommend for things like custom font/logo/graphic
> design?  If I want to develop my own font characters and dingbats, what
> should I look at using, assuming I want PostScript and not bitmap characters?

Fontographer wins for font design. You create a font in terms of its
outline, and you have an assortment of straight segments, curves, and
angles with which to build your font.

> Question the last.  With the laserwriter coming in, I'm thinking it would
> be a Good Thing to start using honest letterhead instead of pinfeed with a
> bitmap letterhead logo for stuff.  Any suggestions on kinds of paper (also
> colors and tints ) that work well in a laserwriter?  What sort of thigns
> should I plan on avoiding (textured papers, for instance...).  Does the
> printer have trouble with heavy (say 20lb) paper?

The printer can handle VERY heavy paper.  How about 40lb?  No prob!
It's just the very light stuff that I'd aviod.  Also, take care to not
have any BIG swaths of black, as the Xero-graphic engine doesn't like
it very well.

While I haven't done too much with heavy paper, or anything really
strange, I have printed a bit on lightly textured bond paper (weight
unknown) without any problems. I would want to stay away from anything
extra-heavy or extra-rough textured.. I would recommend you try some
extreme cases, and see what happens....

We have put ALL kinds of paper into our machine, from overhead slides
to heavy J-Card paper (J Cards are cassette inserts for tapes) with no
problem.  For thick paper, some adjustment might be needed on the
manual feed, but it should hav little problem.

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I need to print disk labels for a project and created the design using
MacDraw. Then using Avery full sheet labels (#5455), these are 8.5x11
inches, I single sheet feed them through the Laserwriter. Worked like a
champ.

I also need to print manual covers, using some 110 pound paper (more
like card board), i single sheet feed the covers through with great
results.

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Our new version of Word for the Macintosh allows imbedding of
PostScript in an "intelligent" manner (i.e., it recognizes the
postscript and handles it properly, although I am not sure exactly how
it works).  I have seen some really interesting 3-D letterheads done
using Postscript in Word 3.0, though.

[editorial note:  ReadySetGo3.0 also is supposed to have what is known
as a PostScript window so you can program graphics directly in
PostScript for your page layout, too]

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tenney@well.UUCP (Glenn S. Tenney) (11/21/86)

Sorry to have not answered much earlier, but here is a quick comment:
I used a MacPlus and Laserwriter for a month (I've had my Mac for
quite a while).  The ONLY problem I encountered was that MacPaint
could *NOT* be printed using manual feed (or any other options
normally found using page setup).  I had a drawing I wanted to print
on very heavy stock and just was not able to do it!  Ok, I could
cut it and paste into a draw doc, but be serious!

Glenn Tenney