[comp.sys.mac] Macintosh Programmer's Workshop

rs4u#@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Richard Siegel) (12/04/86)

MPW is an Apple product; it's in beta-test right now.

I've never used it, but I hear that it supports Object Pascal (of course!
It's the original implementation), and the compilers are damned slow. Also,
you need more than a meg and a real hard disk if you intend to use more than
one language, if you want to use MacApp, or if you want to do real work...


		-_Rich


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lsr@apple.UUCP (Larry Rosenstein) (12/05/86)

In article <MS.V3.18.rs4u.80020b5f.tarentum.ibm032.4732.2@andrew.cmu.edu> rs4u#@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Richard Siegel) writes:
>
>
>I've never used it, but I hear that it supports Object Pascal (of course!
>It's the original implementation), and the compilers are damned slow. Also,
>you need more than a meg and a real hard disk if you intend to use more than
>one language, if you want to use MacApp, or if you want to do real work...
>

The compilers are slow compared to Turbo Pascal and Lightspeed (C/Pascal),
but I don't think they are much slower than the other compilers on the
market (TML, Consulair, etc.)

1 megabyte and a hard disk is all you need to use MacApp or do serious
development (i.e., you don't need more than a megabyte).   I think this is
also comparable with other development systems.  (I know that TML Pascal
would require 1 meg and a hard disk to use something like MacApp.)



-- 
Larry Rosenstein

Object Specialist
Apple Computer

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dgold@apple.UUCP (David Goldsmith) (12/05/86)

In article <MS.V3.18.rs4u.80020b5f.tarentum.ibm032.4732.2@andrew.cmu.edu> rs4u#@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Richard Siegel) writes:
>MPW is an Apple product; it's in beta-test right now.
>I've never used it, but I hear that it supports Object Pascal (of course!
>It's the original implementation), and the compilers are damned slow. Also,
>you need more than a meg and a real hard disk if you intend to use more than
>one language, if you want to use MacApp, or if you want to do real work...

The compilers are not the fastest around, but I wouldn't call them "damn
slow".  One megabyte works just fine for all the work we do at Apple with
MPW, although your RAM cache can't be bigger than about 128K.
-- 
David Goldsmith
Apple Computer, Inc.
MacApp Group

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dtw@f.gp.cs.cmu.edu (Duane Williams) (12/06/86)

>The compilers are slow compared to Turbo Pascal and Lightspeed (C/Pascal),
>but I don't think they are much slower than the other compilers on the
>market (TML, Consulair, etc.)

Off the cuff comparisons of LightspeedC with MPW Pascal suggest that the
latter is an order of magnitude slower.

The MPW editor's search procedure is also much slower that LSC's.  Take the
MacApp "inc1" source file, put a short unique string at the end, position
the cursor at the beginning and search for the string.  It will take 9-18
seconds, depending on whether the source is in the cache.  Do the same with
the LSC editor.  The search will succeed in about 1 second, virtually
instanteously.

Duane Williams
(dtw@k.cs.cmu.edu)

rs4u#@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Richard Siegel) (12/06/86)

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"Off the cuff comparisons of LightspeedC with MPW Pascal suggest that the
latter is an order of magnitude slower."

I don't think it's fair to compare LightspeedC to MPW Pascal, simply because
C and Pascal are vastly different languages when it comes to compilation; C
tends to be easier and quicker to compile than Pascal does.

A fairer comparison is to compare, say, Lightspeed Pascal with the  TML and
MPW Pascal compilers. In that context, LSP is about TWO orders of magnitude
fast than TML Pascal, which is (according to Messrs. Rosenstein and
Goldsmith) roughly the same speed of compilation as MPW. Please correct me if
I am incorrect on this score.

That's better than an order of magnitude.

		--Rich


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