rs4u#@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Richard Siegel) (12/04/86)
MPW is an Apple product; it's in beta-test right now. I've never used it, but I hear that it supports Object Pascal (of course! It's the original implementation), and the compilers are damned slow. Also, you need more than a meg and a real hard disk if you intend to use more than one language, if you want to use MacApp, or if you want to do real work... -_Rich Richard M. Siegel Arpanet: rs4u@andrew.cmu.edu (the only way to get to me!) Disclaimer --> Disclaimers are bogus.
lsr@apple.UUCP (Larry Rosenstein) (12/05/86)
In article <MS.V3.18.rs4u.80020b5f.tarentum.ibm032.4732.2@andrew.cmu.edu> rs4u#@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Richard Siegel) writes: > > >I've never used it, but I hear that it supports Object Pascal (of course! >It's the original implementation), and the compilers are damned slow. Also, >you need more than a meg and a real hard disk if you intend to use more than >one language, if you want to use MacApp, or if you want to do real work... > The compilers are slow compared to Turbo Pascal and Lightspeed (C/Pascal), but I don't think they are much slower than the other compilers on the market (TML, Consulair, etc.) 1 megabyte and a hard disk is all you need to use MacApp or do serious development (i.e., you don't need more than a megabyte). I think this is also comparable with other development systems. (I know that TML Pascal would require 1 meg and a hard disk to use something like MacApp.) -- Larry Rosenstein Object Specialist Apple Computer AppleLink: Rosenstein1 UUCP: {sun, voder, nsc, mtxinu, dual}!apple!lsr CSNET: lsr@Apple.CSNET
dgold@apple.UUCP (David Goldsmith) (12/05/86)
In article <MS.V3.18.rs4u.80020b5f.tarentum.ibm032.4732.2@andrew.cmu.edu> rs4u#@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Richard Siegel) writes: >MPW is an Apple product; it's in beta-test right now. >I've never used it, but I hear that it supports Object Pascal (of course! >It's the original implementation), and the compilers are damned slow. Also, >you need more than a meg and a real hard disk if you intend to use more than >one language, if you want to use MacApp, or if you want to do real work... The compilers are not the fastest around, but I wouldn't call them "damn slow". One megabyte works just fine for all the work we do at Apple with MPW, although your RAM cache can't be bigger than about 128K. -- David Goldsmith Apple Computer, Inc. MacApp Group AppleLink: GOLDSMITH1 UUCP: {nsc,dual,sun,voder,ucbvax!mtxinu}!apple!dgold CSNET: dgold@apple.CSNET, dgold%apple@CSNET-RELAY
dtw@f.gp.cs.cmu.edu (Duane Williams) (12/06/86)
>The compilers are slow compared to Turbo Pascal and Lightspeed (C/Pascal), >but I don't think they are much slower than the other compilers on the >market (TML, Consulair, etc.) Off the cuff comparisons of LightspeedC with MPW Pascal suggest that the latter is an order of magnitude slower. The MPW editor's search procedure is also much slower that LSC's. Take the MacApp "inc1" source file, put a short unique string at the end, position the cursor at the beginning and search for the string. It will take 9-18 seconds, depending on whether the source is in the cache. Do the same with the LSC editor. The search will succeed in about 1 second, virtually instanteously. Duane Williams (dtw@k.cs.cmu.edu)
rs4u#@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Richard Siegel) (12/06/86)
[Line-Eater? What Line-Eater? *Chomp* 8-) ] Organization: Carnegie-Mellon University, Pittsburgh, Pa. Position: Confused Undergraduate "Off the cuff comparisons of LightspeedC with MPW Pascal suggest that the latter is an order of magnitude slower." I don't think it's fair to compare LightspeedC to MPW Pascal, simply because C and Pascal are vastly different languages when it comes to compilation; C tends to be easier and quicker to compile than Pascal does. A fairer comparison is to compare, say, Lightspeed Pascal with the TML and MPW Pascal compilers. In that context, LSP is about TWO orders of magnitude fast than TML Pascal, which is (according to Messrs. Rosenstein and Goldsmith) roughly the same speed of compilation as MPW. Please correct me if I am incorrect on this score. That's better than an order of magnitude. --Rich Richard M. Siegel Arpanet: rs4u@andrew.cmu.edu (the only way to get to me!) Disclaimer --> Disclaimers are bogus.