fry@huma1.UUCP (03/04/87)
What's the difference between "Restart" and "Shutdown" in the new Finder 5.4? When I select Shutdown on my MacPlus with WhisperDrive SCSI drive, I get crashed back to Macsbug, but typing "RB" there causes an instanteous reboot, as though the Shutdown process worked. Selecting Restart causes a near instanteous reboot that is preceeded by a half second "whirr" from my drive David Fry fry@huma1.harvard.EDU Department of Mathematics fry@harvma1.bitnet Harvard University fry%huma1@harvsc4.bitnet Cambridge, MA 02138 ...!harvard!huma1!fry
dwb@well.UUCP (03/04/87)
In article <1337@husc6.UUCP> fry@huma1.UUCP (David Fry) writes: > >What's the difference between "Restart" and "Shutdown" in the >new Finder 5.4? When I select Shutdown on my MacPlus with >WhisperDrive SCSI drive, I get crashed back to Macsbug, but >typing "RB" there causes an instanteous reboot, as though the >Shutdown process worked. Selecting Restart causes a near >instanteous reboot that is preceeded by a half second "whirr" >from my drive Restart does what "Shutdown" used to do. Sync's everything up and goes through the reboot procedure. It doesn't, however, redo the diagnostics so it happens much quicker. Shutdown issues a new System Error number to [possibly sync the disks, this may get done before the error is issued] display a dialog that says you can safely turn things off. Avoids the question that we heard so often not so long ago "when can I turn my disk off?" (Not to mention endless arguments about same.) Unfortunately the older ROM's don't understand the error message and give you the standard default bomb. -- David W. Berry dwb@well.uucp dwb@Delphi dwb@GEnie 293-0752@408.MaBell
jww@sdcsvax.UUCP (03/04/87)
ReBoot is the same as the old ShutDown. ShutDown unmounts the volumes
and then puts up an alert saying, basically, 'ok, you can turn it
off now', preventing the Mac from rebooting beforeyou can
find the power switch.
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Joel West
{ucbvax,ihnp4}!sdcsvax!jww (ihnp4!gould9!joel once I fix news)
jww@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu if you mustdgold@apple.UUCP (03/04/87)
In article <1337@husc6.UUCP> fry@huma1.UUCP (David Fry) writes: >What's the difference between "Restart" and "Shutdown" in the >new Finder 5.4? When I select Shutdown on my MacPlus with >WhisperDrive SCSI drive, I get crashed back to Macsbug... This is probably because you did not install the new system software properly. The "Shutdown" feature requires System 4.0 or later to operate correctly; on previous systems, only the single menu entry "Shutdown" should appear, which acts the way it used to. With System 4.0, there are two menu entries: Restart and ShutDown. Restart acts like the old ShutDown command. ShutDown does everything the Restart command does, except that instead of restarting the machine it blacks the screen and puts up an alert saying "You may now power off the computer safely." (with a Restart button in case you really meant restart). This is so you don't have to race with the Mac to turn it off before it starts to reboot. On the Macintosh II and Macintosh XL, Restart restarts the machine and ShutDown turns the power off. If you're crashing when you select restart it's probably because you only partially installed the system software and not all of the resources the ShutDown command needs are present. Use the Installer or replace your System File with System 4.0 or later. -- David Goldsmith Apple Computer, Inc. MacApp Group AppleLink: GOLDSMITH1 UUCP: {nsc,dual,sun,voder,ucbvax!mtxinu}!apple!dgold CSNET: dgold@apple.CSNET, dgold%apple@CSNET-RELAY BIX: dgoldsmith
dgold@apple.UUCP (03/05/87)
In article <2698@well.UUCP> dwb@well.UUCP (David W. Berry) writes: > Shutdown issues a new System Error number... >...Unfortunately the older ROM's don't understand the >error message and give you the standard default bomb. New ROMs are not required; everything needed for Shut Down is in the System File. If you have System 4.0 or later, Shut Down will work on any Macintosh (on the XL and on the Macintosh II, it turns the power off instead of putting up the alert). -- David Goldsmith Apple Computer, Inc. MacApp Group AppleLink: GOLDSMITH1 UUCP: {nsc,dual,sun,voder,ucbvax!mtxinu}!apple!dgold CSNET: dgold@apple.CSNET, dgold%apple@CSNET-RELAY BIX: dgoldsmith
woody@tybalt.caltech.edu.UUCP (03/05/87)
In article <1337@husc6.UUCP> fry@huma1.UUCP (David Fry) writes: >What's the difference between "Restart" and "Shutdown" in the >new Finder 5.4? When I select Shutdown on my MacPlus with >WhisperDrive SCSI drive, I get crashed back to Macsbug, but >typing "RB" there causes an instanteous reboot, as though the >Shutdown process worked. Selecting Restart causes a near >instanteous reboot that is preceeded by a half second "whirr" >from my drive The difference is apparent when you play with one of the newly-released Mac 2 machines. The option "Restart" causes the Mac 2 to restart; ie, do the "shutdown" that we are all used to on the older Macs. The option "Shutdown" now not only shuts down the computer but actually turns it off. The Mac 2 has soft power-on and power-off. To power the machine off, you either (1) use the "Shutdown" option, or (2) pull the plug. Damned Apple; if they'd only learned the lesson of the Lisa, and came up with a way to turn the machine off without pulling the plug when the machine crashes so horribly that the Finder won't run. Well, when I get my own Mac 2 (in a few years, when they start shipping to Universities), I'm putting it on a power strip. That way when the machine hopelessly crashes, I can turn it off easily without getting up. I'm supprised that Finder 5.4 presented the "Restart"/"Shutdown" options on a Mac+, but I never tried. On my Mac512K with the HD20 startup file, Finder 5.4 only presents "Shutdown", which does the "Shutdown" we're all familiar with. - William Woody Mac! > ][n && /|\ woody@tybalt.caltech.edu woody@juliet.caltech.edu