mdr@reed.UUCP (03/03/87)
A couple of questions, some simple and some...
(1) Are there prototyping cards available from Apple for the NuBus?
(2) Are the 256k ROMS the same in the Mac SE and Mac II, and (of course)
what are the new things in there? (looks like AppleTalk is one)
(3) If the ROMS are the same (ie. the ROMs in the II are 2 bytes wide),
does it slow the 68020? I actually suspect it wouldn't, but I'm curious
what the real actual truth is.
Mike
p.s. I tried the machine yesterday and I really like it! And it's a Smalltalk
machine that I could afford if I could afford anything but school.
Speaking of Apple Smalltalk...
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Reed College -- Portland, Oregon -- 503/774-9192mdr@reed.UUCP (03/05/87)
In response to my own posting, let me answer some of my questions...
Q: Prototyping cards for the NuBus?
A: There should be some coming from Apple. Nothing formally announced yet.
Q: Do MacII and SE ROMS have the same content?
A: Yes, No, Maybe we'll learn some day
Q: How wide is the ROM data bus on the Mac II?
A: 4 bytes. I'm still curious if it would be as quick with 2 byte wide ROM.
When I get some time I'll figure out if this might be so.
Q: Apple Smalltalk for the Mac II?
A: Version 0.4 should be coming from APDA. (YEA!)
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Reed College -- Portland, Oregon -- 503/774-9192jww@sdcsvax.UUCP (03/05/87)
In article <5595@reed.UUCP>, mdr@reed.UUCP (Mike Rutenberg) writes: > Q: Prototyping cards for the NuBus? > A: There should be some coming from Apple. Nothing formally announced yet. Also specs are available Real Soon Now from APDA. > Q: Do MacII and SE ROMS have the same content? > A: Yes, No, Maybe we'll learn some day No. The Mac SE is real, available at a dealer near you. The Mac II is vaporware, and they will be fixing bugs in the ROM up until the very last minute. Besides, the Mac II has color stuff that the SE doesn't (although I'd sure like to see an official list of managers in the SE & II.) > > Q: Apple Smalltalk for the Mac II? > A: Version 0.4 should be coming from APDA. (YEA!) Tell me more, tell me more.... -- Joel West {ucbvax,ihnp4}!sdcsvax!jww (ihnp4!gould9!joel once I fix news) jww@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu if you must
lsr@apple.UUCP (03/05/87)
In article <5567@reed.UUCP> mdr@reed.UUCP (Mike Rutenberg) writes: > >(3) If the ROMS are the same (ie. the ROMs in the II are 2 bytes wide), > does it slow the 68020? I actually suspect it wouldn't, but I'm curious > what the real actual truth is. The ROMs are not the same. The Mac SE does not have Color Quickdraw and the Mac II ROMs take advantage of the new addressing modes of the 68020. Larry -- Larry Rosenstein Object Specialist Apple Computer AppleLink: Rosenstein1 UUCP: {sun, voder, nsc, mtxinu, dual}!apple!lsr CSNET: lsr@Apple.CSNET
rgatkinson@watmum.UUCP (03/06/87)
In article <2807@sdcsvax.UCSD.EDU> jww@sdcsvax.UCSD.EDU (Joel West) writes: >In article <5595@reed.UUCP>, mdr@reed.UUCP (Mike Rutenberg) writes: >> Q: Do MacII and SE ROMS have the same content? >No. ... >the very last minute. Besides, the Mac II has color stuff that the Doesn't the _original_ Quickdraw on the original Mac have color support that just hasn't been used yet? -bob atkinson
vito@trwspf.UUCP (03/07/87)
In article <514@apple.UUCP> lsr@apple.UUCP (Larry Rosenstein) writes: > >The ROMs are not the same. The Mac SE does not have Color Quickdraw and the >Mac II ROMs take advantage of the new addressing modes of the 68020. > >Larry > >-- >Larry Rosenstein Can you put the 256K ROMs (the ones designed for the SE) in the Mac+? -- Herb Barad - TRW Data Systems Lab ARPA: barad@brand.usc.edu USENET: ...!trwrb!trwspf!vito
chuq%plaid@Sun.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) (03/08/87)
>Can you put the 256K ROMs (the ones designed for the SE) in the Mac+?
I've been told no. I've also been told that Apple will implement the parts
applicable for the + in Ram, so we won't have to do without.
chuq
Chuq Von Rospach chuq@sun.COM [I don't read flames]
There is no statute of limitations on stupiditylsr@apple.UUCP (Larry Rosenstein) (03/09/87)
In article <208@trwspf.TRW.COM> vito@trwspf.UUCP (Herb Barad) writes: > >Can you put the 256K ROMs (the ones designed for the SE) in the Mac+? > I think not. The Mac SE ROMs expect to have the Apple Desktop Bus interface to the keyboard and mouse, which the Mac Plus does not provide. Some of the other hardware might be different on a Mac SE as well. The Mac Plus does have the ability to support 256K of ROM; this is used, for example, to place the Kanji software in ROM for Japanese Macs. Larry -- Larry Rosenstein Object Specialist Apple Computer AppleLink: Rosenstein1 UUCP: {sun, voder, nsc, mtxinu, dual}!apple!lsr CSNET: lsr@Apple.CSNET