hunt@cg-d.UUCP (03/20/87)
********************************* REPLIES ***************************** As promised, here are replies to my question about the Sad Mac error and my disk problem. I have taken Mr. Mac+ in for a look, and there was a real disk problem :-(. It appears from some of the responses that I wasn't very clear -- there's nothing wrong with the switch, it works fine -- it's a problem with the drive itself. In any case, thanks a lot for your helpful comments and replies. I'm pleasantly surprised by the quick response to my request for help. Walter *********************************************************************** From: decvax!ihnp4!ulysses!boris I had very similar problem. It turns out my internal disk drive broke (after about 5 month). The drive had to be replaced ($220 at local dealer). I've seen many messages on the net that 800k drives are not very reliable. Boris Altman -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: decvax!ucbvax!lemon.berkeley.edu!c60a-3eb Fear not! The Sad Mac icon that you got merely means you pushed the interrupt button on the programmer's switch. Nothing is broken, except maybe the system on one of your disks. The reason that you get a Sad Mac is that when the computer has no operating system the debugger (either the minidebugger which is present in ROM on the Mac+, or MacsBug, &c.) Is not yet hooked in so that when you push the button requesting a debugger there is nothing to do but signal an error. -- Bob Heiney c60a-3eb@lemon.Berkeley.Edu c60b-hd@buddy.Berkeley.Edu "To stay young requires unceasing cultivation of the ability to unlearn old falsehoods."(Robert A. Heinlein) --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: decvax!ucbvax!lapis.berkeley.edu!oster (David Phillip Oster) Sometimes the paramters stored in the battery-backed-up parameter ram can keep a mac from booting. The fix is simple and harmless: 1.) Unplug the Mac from the wall. 2.) remove the battery in the upper back of the macintosh. 3.) wait thirty seconds 4.) replace the battery (make sure you get it right way up - the case is marked with the orientation. You'll have to reset the date and time after doing this, but as an IBM sufferer you'll be used to that. (Use Apple's Alarm Clock desk accessory to set the date and time.) Good luck. David --- David Phillip Oster -- "We live in a Global Village." Arpa: oster@lapis.berkeley.edu -- Uucp: ucbvax!ucblapis!oster -- "You are Number Six." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Curry <decvax!nsc.NSC.COM!decwrl!curry> The 0F prefix on the error number indicates that it is a hardware failure in the floppy disk drive. The last four digits I don't know about because they changed for the Mac plus and I haven't gotten copies of the new ones. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings but repair should be simple since the only option is to replace the drive. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: decvax!seismo!andrew.cmu.edu!rs4u# (Richard Siegel) The reason you get the sad mac at startup is most likeley because your Programmer's Switch is stuck. Take a screwdriver and gently lift the back switch, so that it pops out. A Tip: when you get a sad Mac, look at the number under neath. A number beginning with 0F00 indicates a system error, and the last two digits are the system error number in Hexadecimal. In this case, 0F000D measn that system error #13 occurred. System EArror 13 is the error that's posted when you hit the back button on the Programmers Switch, hence my guess that it's stuck. Your other problem: It's possible that you have a corrupted System or Finder file; mostlikely the Finder, so try replacing it and see if it helps. Hope some of this information is useful to you... --Rich Richard M. Siegel NASA/Langley Research Center Materials Characterization Instrumentation Section Mail Stop 231 Hampton, Virginia 23665 (804) 865-3036 Disclaimer? Why should I disclaimer? I hardly KNOW 'er! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Ross Wille <decvax!hplabs!hpccc!wille> The sad Mac code 0F000D is the error that occurs when the interrupt button is stuck in. Try pulling the switch level out a bit and rebooting again. Good luck, Ross Wille HPlabs ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: decvax!necntc.NEC.COM!gkb (Greg Busby) In the Dr. Dobs Journal article that I used to upgrade my mac 128k to 512k, it says that the 0F000D means 'normal operation', ie. everything is OK. You should only get this when you HOLD the interupt switch down during power-on, so my first guess would be that the interrupt switch may be shorting out or stuck or something. If you have ever done any hardware work, you should have no trouble ding this sort of thing. If not, you might want to take it to a dealer, although you're right, their prices are out of this world. My 's' key stopped working once, and they wanted $50 to look at it, plus parts and labor over 1/2 hour. I fixed it myself in about 20 minutes with no new parts, and I'm no hardware person. Anyway, I'm rambling. Oh, another thing you might try is booting from a different disk drive (external) to check out your drive, and if that works you might check the ribbon cable from the mother board to the internal drive -- mine came loose once and so did a friend's. If you want to take the cover off, there are 5 screws -- 2 in the handle, 2 plainly visible in the back, and one in the battery compartment. Good luck. GKB ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Peter J M Baker <decvax!watmath!watcgl!pjmbaker> In article <295@cg-d.UUCP> you write: > >Help! > 0 F 0 0 0 D > This means the mac is hungry and needs to eat. Seriously, though, you will probably get a million replies, but just in case: F00D means that the NMI interrupt button is pressed. There seems to be a problem with these buttons on the MAC+ that they tend to get stuck. If you remove the plastic button from the case it will probably be fine. Others may tell you how to 'fix' the button, i don't have a mac+. IF the button is NOT stuck, then the switch itself is probably faulty (very cheap critters). hope this helps, Peter PS MacWorld, April 86 p72 describes the sad mac codes for the old mac (some have changed for the mac+ I think) -- Peter Baker, Computer Science Dept., University of Waterloo USENET: {ihnp4|allegra|utzoo|utcsri}!watmath!watcgl!pjmbaker CSNET : pjmbaker%watcgl@waterloo.csnet ARPA : pjmbaker%watcgl%waterloo.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa ******************************************************************** -- Walter H. Hunt {the_world}!decvax!cg-d!hunt "Baseball is 50% skill, 50% practice, and 50% luck" -- Mickey Rivers (translated to the English)