riddle@emory.UUCP (03/15/87)
With the new Macintosh SE comes a new version of the system and finder,
namely system 4.0 and finder 5.4. There are also new versions for the
imagewriter driver, laserprep and laserwriter driver.
My question is: is there any danger in using the new system/finder
on a mac plus? I wouldn't be asking this except that the salesman
at the store where I saw the SE insisted that one should not use
4.0 with a mac plus because "there had been reports of it trashing
hard disks" when not using Apple Share. Frankly I find this hard to
believe, but before installing 4.0/5.4 on my DataFrame I thought it
might be prudent just to check to see if anyone has, in fact, had any
trouble with using this combination on their Mac+.
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Atlanta, Ga 30322mo@well.UUCP (Maurice Weitman) (03/15/87)
In article <2009@emory.UUCP> riddle@emory.UUCP (Larry Riddle) writes: >With the new Macintosh SE comes a new version of the system and finder, >namely system 4.0 and finder 5.4. [...] > >My question is: is there any danger in using the new system/finder >on a mac plus? [...] Larry, I've been using 4.0/5.4 on my plus with a Jasmine 20 for about two weeks with no problems at all. Everything Apple has written about this release and the plus says NOT to use it. No specific reasons are given. They say that "4.0 is an interim release and is not licensible (sic)..." and "4.1 will be released in late spring, will be licensible (sic) and will replace 3.2 as the recommended System file to include with your products." There seem to be quite a few bug fixes, operational enhancements, as well as AppleShare support, although Apple says the enhance- ments are not significant for non-ApplleShare users. Of course, you always keep your hard disk backed up, so what can you lose? -- Maurice Weitman ..!{dual,hplabs,lll-crg,ptsfa,glacier}!well!mo | <this is not a pipe POBox 10019 Berkeley, CA 94709 (415)549-0280 NSA food: CIA + FBI + Reagan = terrorism Quote: "I'm not a crook." RMN Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors.
chuq%plaid@Sun.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) (03/15/87)
In article <2009@emory.UUCP> riddle@emory.UUCP (Larry Riddle) writes: >With the new Macintosh SE comes a new version of the system and finder, >namely system 4.0 and finder 5.4. There are also new versions for the >imagewriter driver, laserprep and laserwriter driver. > >My question is: is there any danger in using the new system/finder >on a mac plus? I wouldn't be asking this except that the salesman >at the store where I saw the SE insisted that one should not use >4.0 with a mac plus because "there had been reports of it trashing >hard disks" when not using Apple Share. The official policy is that the new stuff is only useful for people running Appleshare, so there is no reason to upgrade. A newer, full release is due out this summer for all machines. That being said, many people HAVE upgrade, and from the comments I've seen on Delphi, notice significant performance enhancements. I've seen some comments about being unable to use some programs and hard disks (some laser spoolers and downloadable laser fonts don't work iwth the new laserprep, for instance, and some (name forgotten, sorry) hard disks won't boot) but I've never heard of having disks trashed. I've got the stuff, and as soon as I get a free day or two on my machines, I'll be upgrading. Two provisos, however: o It is NOT supported on the 128K mac. Never will be. What you have is what you will always have (hint: upgrade.) o It isn't recommended for old ROM 512K machines, because you have to strip the system file to make it fit on a 400K floppy. (hint: upgrade) chuq Chuq Von Rospach chuq@sun.COM [I don't read flames] There is no statute of limitations on stupidity
vito@trwspf.TRW.COM (Herb Barad) (03/16/87)
In article <2009@emory.UUCP> riddle@emory.UUCP (Larry Riddle) writes: >With the new Macintosh SE comes a new version of the system and finder, >namely system 4.0 and finder 5.4. There are also new versions for the >imagewriter driver, laserprep and laserwriter driver. > >My question is: is there any danger in using the new system/finder >on a mac plus? I wouldn't be asking this except that the salesman >at the store where I saw the SE insisted that one should not use >4.0 with a mac plus because "there had been reports of it trashing >hard disks" when not using Apple Share. Frankly I find this hard to >believe, but before installing 4.0/5.4 on my DataFrame I thought it >might be prudent just to check to see if anyone has, in fact, had any >trouble with using this combination on their Mac+. I have been using the new system and finder with both Mac +'s and with Mac 512 (even old ROMs) with absolutely no problem. I hear that version 4.1 of the system (yet to come out) will be the final one that ALL Macs (except the 128K and XL) should use. I know that they still recommend using the version 3.2/5.3 until they come out with 4.1/5.4, but I suppose that is to avoid upgrading twice in a very short time. I personally find the new system & finder 4.0/5.4 to work very well on Mac+'s and 512's. The new combo is a little bit bigger, but this is only a problem with floppies (we have a LW+ and LOTS of fonts/DA's etc.). On a 400K floppy, we just changed the LW drivers and they seem to work with the old system. The only problem that I have encountered is that MacDraft (V1.1) no longer seems to work. It bombs. Anybody else experience this? Any fixes??? I suppose 4.1/5.4 will come out when the Mac II is out in regular supply. Up until then, upgrading on Mac+'s & 512s is your own choice. -- Herb Barad - TRW Data Systems Lab ARPA: barad@brand.usc.edu USENET: ...!trwrb!trwspf!vito
dorner@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (03/16/87)
I've been using 4.0/5.4 on my 512e with Paradise hard disk ever since it (4.0, not the Paradise :-)) was released. No problems. Steve Dorner dorner@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu
pgn@osupyr.UUCP (Paul G. Nevai) (03/19/87)
I've been using them on my XP 40 and XP 20. Everything is perfect. I love the new ShutDown feature. Open up the string resources of the new Font/DA over (v. 3.4). Surprise: there is a string "you cannot install more than 52 DA's". Is this a hint to what's gonna happen to System 4.1?
vito@trwspf.UUCP (03/20/87)
I heard a presentation of 3 Apple people yesterday: Kawasaki, Kastener, and I forget the other person's name. It IS ok to use 4.0/5.4 on a Mac+ and even a 512 Mac. The are 2 reasons why Apple is discouraging it: 1. System 4.1 will be out soon, so people will have to upgrade very soon anyway. Why upgrade twice? Also, people with only floppies would have to upgrade ALL their floppies twice. So why bother. 2. 4.0/5.4 only has stuff needed for a Mac SE and AppleShare. If you don't have either of these, then you will not benifit much. I don't say "at all", I just say not much. I hope this clears everything up. To summarize, it's OK, you will just have to upgrade the system again in a couple of months. You choose. -- Herb Barad - TRW Data Systems Lab ARPA: barad@brand.usc.edu USENET: ...!trwrb!trwspf!vito
jimb@dopey.UUCP (03/22/87)
in article <215@trwspf.TRW.COM>, vito@trwspf.TRW.COM (Herb Barad) says: > 2. 4.0/5.4 only has stuff needed for a Mac SE and AppleShare. If > you don't have either of these, then you will not benifit much. I > don't say "at all", I just say not much. One point. If you have a hard disk you may benefit from the new shutdown. Under the special menu: Restart The *old* shutdown. Shutdown Stops after the shutdown, and says it's OK to turn off the computer. There is a restart button in case you change your mind. Two negative points for *floppy only* systems: 1. The fattening trash can. If you have ejected the system disk when you trash something for another disk it'll force you to insert the system disk to get the icon. If it's the same drive it'll clear the trash. Mark the icon in the finder as 'preload' with Resedit to prvent this. 2. If you have ejected your disks when you select shutdown it will force you to insert the disk to get the resource. Of course, since you have already ejected the disks you could just turn the computer off anyway. Other than that it works fine on my 512Ke. -- +===== Jim Budler ==== Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. ==== (408) 749-5806 =====+ | cryptography, terrorist, DES, drugs, cipher, secret, decode, NSA, CIA, NRO | | Compuserve: 72415,1200; Delphi: JIMBUDLER; Usenet: jimb@amdcad.AMD.COM | +==== Disclaimer: My company wouldn't let ME speak for them, would they? ====+
prgclb@ihlpa.UUCP (03/23/87)
In article <319@dopey.AMD.COM>, jimb@dopey.AMD.COM (Jim Budler) writes: > Two negative points for *floppy only* systems: > > 1. The fattening trash can. If you have ejected the system > disk when you trash something for another disk it'll force > you to insert the system disk to get the icon. . . . > > 2. If you have ejected your disks when you select shutdown > it will force you to insert the disk to get the resource. > > Other than that it works fine on my 512Ke. To that, I'd add: 3. If you eject your system disk and put in a backup data disk to duplicate some files, it will stop and ask you to put the system disk back in so it can give you the dialog box that asks you if you're sure you want to duplicate over the same file. With the previous system, you don't need to swap the backup disk for the system disk, then swap back, to get the warning dialog box. Carl Blesch