pgn@osupyr.UUCP (04/23/87)
Help! Help! Help!
I want to change the menu names in MS Word 3.0.
Why? Because they are too long, and since I have a clock and other MENU
titles in the MenuBar, things are getting too close for comfort.
How would I normally proceed? Use ResEdit or REdit, open up MENU resource
etc.
The problem: MicroSoft tricked us, and they put all the CODE in one place
in the resource file. I believe it's called PCOD, ID=2, and it is big! Its
size is 310818 bytes. Thus I cannot open it within ResEdit or REdit. Disk
editors aren't good for this. Though I can use them, say Fedit Plus, to read
the stuff, I can't change the code because I cannot shorten words with disk
editors, unless I want to screw up the stuff. Am I right?
The solution: (Well guys, here comes your input).
P.S. Hi MicroSoft, are you listening? I will appreciate your help!
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Columbus, OH 43210, U.S.A. 1-614-292-5688cgeiger@ut-ngp.UUCP (04/24/87)
In article <236@osupyr.UUCP>, pgn@osupyr.UUCP (Paul G. Nevai) writes: > > > The problem: MicroSoft tricked us, and they put all the CODE in one > place in the resource file. I believe it's called PCOD, ID=2, and it > is big! Its size is 310818 bytes. Thus I cannot open it within ResEdit > or REdit. Disk editors aren't good for this. Though I can use them, > say Fedit Plus, to read the stuff, I can't change the code because I > cannot shorten words with disk editors, unless I want to screw up the > stuff. Am I right? Ditto! I'm used to making my own key equivalents for everything (in this particular case, I use `page setup' and `hyphenate' a lot, but there's no key equivalent for them in the new Word); I also customize a lot of other things (just for grins), but I can't make any changes with these damn PCODs. Is there any way around this? cheers, from charles s. geiger ARPA: cgeiger@ngp.cc.utexas.edu cgeiger@ut-ngp.ARPA UUCP: ihnp4!ut-ngp!cgeiger allegra!ut-ngp!cgeiger gatech!ut-ngp!cgeiger seismo!ut-sally!ut-ngp!cgeiger harvard!ut-sally!ut-ngp!cgeiger
briand@tekig4.TEK.COM (Brian Diehm) (04/24/87)
>Help! Help! Help! > >I want to change the menu names in MS Word 3.0. >Though I can use say Fedit Plus, to read the stuff, I can't change the code >because I cannot shorten words with disk editors, unless I want to screw up >the stuff. Am I right? Well, you're technically right, the string lengths should remain the same to be really sure. However, some strings have a length byte in front of the chars, and changing this should make things work OK. Even if you can't change the string lengths, you might make shorter names with trailing spaces to fill the string. This will help some, because the menu bar is displayed in Chicago which is a variable character width font. Thus, the trailing spaces will be shorter, but not as much shorter as if they didn't exist. You can complain that Microsoft "didn't do it right" by not using MENU resour- ces, but then look closely at how they are wildly changing those menus dynam- ically and you will understand. It should make internationalizing their program more difficult for someone, though. Maybe this is a weak point of the resource concept? (There - that should be ground for a holy war!) -Brian Diehm Tektronix, Inc. (SDA - Standard Disclaimers Apply)
marcus@weyl.Berkeley.EDU (Matthew Marcus) (04/24/87)
re the complaints about not being able to use resedit on large resources: use derez or it's Rmaker counterpart mat marcus ucbvax!brahms!marcus marcus@brahms.berkeley.edu ucbvax!marcus@brahms.berkeley.edu
dwb@apple.UUCP (04/27/87)
In article <1436@tekig4.TEK.COM> briand@tekig4.UUCP (Brian Diehm) writes: >You can complain that Microsoft "didn't do it right" by not using MENU resour- >ces, but then look closely at how they are wildly changing those menus dynam- >ically and you will understand. It should make internationalizing their program >more difficult for someone, though. Maybe this is a weak point of the resource >concept? (There - that should be ground for a holy war!) Then again, the problem would have been solved for all concerned by using STR# or STR resources. > >-Brian Diehm >Tektronix, Inc. (SDA - Standard Disclaimers Apply) -- David W. Berry dwb@well.uucp dwb@Delphi dwb@apple.com 293-0752@408.MaBell
briand@tekig4.TEK.COM (Brian Diehm) (04/28/87)
>>You can complain that Microsoft "didn't do it right" by not using MENU resour- >>ces, but then look closely at how they are wildly changing those menus dynam- >>ically and you will understand. It should make internationalizing their program >>more difficult for someone, though. Maybe this is a weak point of the resource >>concept? (There - that should be ground for a holy war!) > Then again, the problem would have been solved for all concerned > by using STR# or STR resources. Yes, that's true and has been pointed out to me by several kindly folks. It is better. BUT, what if joe user wants to change the keyboard equivalents (not that ANY are available in MS Word 3.0 :-) )? Or wants to change the style of one of the menu items, or add an icon, or any of the other variables that the original MENU resource gives control over? Perhaps if someone actually pointed out to Microsoft that there is a set of Macintosh User Interface Guidelines they would lay off with the collections of assembled quirks they use for interfaces. I like their program, but it really seens like it belongs on a PC or something else out of the last decade . . . -Brian Diehm Tektronix, Inc. (SDA - Standard Disclaimers Apply)
dwb@apple.UUCP (Dave W. Berry) (04/30/87)
In article <1446@tekig4.TEK.COM> briand@tekig4.UUCP (Brian Diehm) writes: >> Then again, the problem would have been solved for all concerned >> by using STR# or STR resources. > >Yes, that's true and has been pointed out to me by several kindly folks. It is >better. BUT, what if joe user wants to change the keyboard equivalents (not that >ANY are available in MS Word 3.0 :-) )? Or wants to change the style of one of >the menu items, or add an icon, or any of the other variables that the original >MENU resource gives control over? That would also be solvable using the STR resource if the program used the standard functions to get things into the menu. For instance the string "Open.../O;New/N;Save/S;(-;Quit/Q" adds a menu with Command O, N, S, and Q in all the expected places. Styles and icons can be added in similar manners. Although the user has to know a little bit more about what's going on behind his back. -- David W. Berry dwb@well.uucp dwb@Delphi dwb@apple.com 293-0752@408.MaBell