[comp.sys.mac] MAC SE vs. ATARI ST

rwn@ihlpa.ATT.COM (Bob Neumann) (06/15/87)

I'm still undecided as to which PC I will purchase for
my computer music system.  After reading articles about
both the MAC and the atari ST (as well as other systems)
I've reduced my options to the MAC SE and the Atari ST.

Of course, since I am buying the computer mainly for music
purposes in my home studio, the main consideration should
be the software that will run on the system.

I would like to have the following capabilities in my system:

1) SMPTE and MIDI time code capability that works! -so that
I don't have to rewind a tape and start over when doing
tape sync.

2) A MIDI sequencer that is EASY to use and is reliable
(seems like a simple enough request but I've talked with
users who have encountered problems with various pieces
of software, i.e. Southworth total music, etc.).

3) Ability to initiate sample dumps via MIDI.

4) Voice librarian (for DX-7 and Oberheim products) that will run
without exiting the sequencer.

5) ability to move the sequenced tracks back and forth in time to
adjust "feel".

6) Conversion of sequenced data to music notation (to be dumped to
a printer) would be nice but is not a requirement.

I've been reading about the SMPTE-track package by Hybrid Arts
for the ATARI ST which seems to have requirements 1-5,
and the ST is reasonably priced.  I understand that their is
a limited MIDI interface on the ST itself.

OK, I could go with a MAC SE otherwise, but is software/hardware
available for the MAC SE that will do what I want.  I saw the
new Southworth stuff (including the JAMBOX, etc) at the NAMM
show in June 1986 -they said their stuff would be shipped in
August - yet I undersatnd that the product is still not available
to purchase.

Anyone care to comment on the differences between the two
computer systems and how their performance might influence
my decision? Also any comments about any MAC software that
I am not aware of that would meet my requirements, a force
my decision towards the MAC SE?

Hopefully, the buzz on the floor of the NAM show two weeks from
now will influence my decision as well..

Thanks for your help.

			Bob Neumann
			
			

czei@osu-cgrg.UUCP (Mike Czei...) (06/24/87)

In article <4244@ihlpa.ATT.COM>, rwn@ihlpa.ATT.COM (Bob Neumann) writes:
> I'm still undecided as to which PC I will purchase for
> my computer music system.  After reading articles about
> both the MAC and the atari ST (as well as other systems)
> I've reduced my options to the MAC SE and the Atari ST.
> 
The Dr. T sequencer package for the Atari gets my vote as the best sequencer
around.   I don't care for the computer, but the KCS is the best sequencer
I've ever seen.


-- 
Michael S. Czeiszperger                        "I'm the Doctor, wether
The Ohio State University			you like it or not."
Advanced Computing Center for Art and Design
Sound Synthesis Studios
Columbus, OH 43210
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exodus@uop.UUCP (Greg Onufer) (06/26/87)

> In article <4244@ihlpa.ATT.COM>, rwn@ihlpa.ATT.COM (Bob Neumann) writes:
> > I'm still undecided as to which PC I will purchase for
> > my computer music system.  After reading articles about
> > both the MAC and the atari ST (as well as other systems)
> > I've reduced my options to the MAC SE and the Atari ST.

Look in this month's issue of ST-Log...  there are a few articles on the
merits of each computer when used with MIDI.  Also a few interesting notes:

	1) The keyboardists in the Pointer Sisters use STs exclusively
	   and have agreed to advertise ST MIDI for Atari...

	2) Tangerine Dream uses 6 Atari 1040 STs in their studio setup.
	   They have produced scores for Sorcerer, Risky Business, and
 	   Legend.

	3) Mike Pinder of the Moody Blues has supported Atari MIDI ever
	   the Atari 8-bits were first released.  His new solo project
	   depends heavily on ST MIDI technology...

	4) Jay Ferguson has composed songs for movies such as the
	   Terminator, Perfect and used an Atari 8-bit system and 
	   now uses STs.

	5) The Jazz Artists- Lee Ritenour uses an ST MIDI system with
	   his SyntheAxe and records digital (MIDI) and analog simul.
	   in the studio.  Lee, Abraham Laboriel, and Don Grusin all use
	   ST-based MIDI systems...  The new MGM movie introduction logo
	   which will be released this summer on all MGM movies was
	   programmed entirely on an ST, controlling a bank of synths
	   and samplers.  SMPTE timecode was used to synchronize audio
	   and video...  The video was produced by Digital Productions,
	   to round off everything!

	6) Editor Jock Baird of "Musician Magazine" (largest audited paid
	   circulation in the music-making industry) claims 1987 to be
	   the year of Atari... (April '87 issue)

[excerpts from ST-Log magazine (May '87) taken w/o any permission--
 they're all loose quotes anyways, pretty much from memory...]

And besides, may pay for a MAC, which is essentially little over $200
in parts plus some software (admittedly, decent _code_, not concept!)
when you're going to have to buy the midi, buy the midi software etc...

Or you can get an ST for half of the Mac's price (almost) and buy some
software and have $$$$ left over....  some people never learn (the apple
logo is colorful, ain't it?)

Greg Onufer

ja1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jesse Adelman) (07/02/87)

Yeah, but Herbie Hancock uses a Mac. Right there on David Letterman. So
there! :-)

	Jesse Adelman
	JA1W@TE.CC.CMU.EDU
	JA1W@Andrew.CMU.EDU