jdm@ut-ngp.UUCP (06/18/87)
Have you ever wondered how many bytes are contained in each of your folders? Now I know you can use the get-info boxes, but why doesn't display by Size report this? Presumably it would take time for the finder to search through the directory to get the up-to-date size, but it would be nice if this was at least an option. I'd like a menu item under special that turns on true size display, then I could see the size of all by folders at once. How about it apple? Jim Meiss jdm@ut-ngp.UTEXAS.EDU
dgold@apple.UUCP (06/20/87)
In article <5449@ut-ngp.UUCP> jdm@ut-ngp.UUCP (Jim Meiss) writes: > Have you ever wondered how many bytes are contained in each of >your folders? Now I know you can use the get-info boxes, but why doesn't >display by Size report this? Presumably it would take time for the finder >to search through the directory to get the up-to-date size, but it would >be nice if this was at least an option. Remember, it would not only have to look in the folder, but in any folders inside, and any folders inside them, and... This is why that feature was removed when HFS support was added, and is only available via Get Info (i.e., requires a concious choice). Try doing Get Info on a deeply nested hierarchy and you'll see why the Finder doesn't do this. -- David Goldsmith Apple Computer, Inc. AppleLink: GOLDSMITH1 UUCP: {nsc,dual,sun,voder,ucbvax!mtxinu}!apple!dgold CSNET: dgold@apple.CSNET, dgold%apple@CSNET-RELAY BIX: dgoldsmith
wetter@tybalt.caltech.edu.UUCP (06/20/87)
In article <5449@ut-ngp.UUCP> jdm@ut-ngp.UUCP (Jim Meiss) writes: > > Have you ever wondered how many bytes are contained in each of >your folders? Now I know you can use the get-info boxes, but why doesn't >display by Size report this? Presumably it would take time for the finder >to search through the directory to get the up-to-date size, but it would >be nice if this was at least an option. > I'd like a menu item under special that turns on true size display, >then I could see the size of all by folders at once. >How about it apple? > Jim Meiss > jdm@ut-ngp.UTEXAS.EDU If the directory the folder is contained in is view by name, the size will be displayed when the folder is opened. Don't ask me why it bothers it just does. Personally, I think each folder should have how much space it consumes available in its window since that is often more useful then the space on the disk itself. Pierce Wetter Disclaimer: 1. If you're dumb enough to beleive me that's your problem. 2. My opinion has nothing to do with my summer internship at Apple. muiraviv Da secret woird. The three laws of thermodynamics: The First Law: You can't get anything without working for it. The Second Law: The most you can accomplish by working is to break even. The Third Law: You can only break even at absolute zero. -------------------------------------------- wetter@tybalt.caltech.edu --------------------------------------------
lonetto@phri.UUCP (Michael Lonetto) (06/27/87)
In article <5449@ut-ngp.UUCP> jdm@ut-ngp.UUCP (Jim Meiss) writes: > > I'd like a menu item under special that turns on true size display, >then I could see the size of all by folders at once. >How about it apple? > Jim Meiss > jdm@ut-ngp.UTEXAS.EDU Yes PLEASE! This would really help keep track of where all that hard disk space is going. My :user folder has 25 folders in it. I like to check sizes from time to time before doing backups to see if anything is getting out of hand (usually an indication of saving too many intermediate forms of a project). Doing Select All; Get Info works, but isn't the most convenient way to go through it. Michael Lonetto UUCP:(allegra!phri!lonetto) USMAIL: Public Health Research Institute, 455 1st Ave, NY, NY 10016
stevew@ut-sally.UUCP (Steve Williams) (06/28/87)
Hi,
I'm new to the net, but not the Mac. One thing that has always irked me
about the Finder on a hard disk system is the insistence on emptying the
trash at every application launch. I had hoped that HFS would fix this,
but no, everytime you change to another application, there goes your trash.
What I propose is another flag in the LAYO resource that controls wheter
the trash auto-dumps. Floppies SHOULD dump, but it is not always necessary
on a 20M hard disk.
Steve Williams
{seismo!gatech!ihnp4}!udownSutickets ssteele@unc.cs.unc.edu (Oliver Steele) (06/30/87)
In article <8351@ut-sally.UUCP> stevew@ut-sally.UUCP (Steve Williams) writes: > >I'm new to the net, but not the Mac. One thing that has always irked me >about the Finder on a hard disk system is the insistence on emptying the >trash at every application launch. I had hoped that HFS would fix this, >but no, everytime you change to another application, there goes your trash. > >What I propose is another flag in the LAYO resource that controls wheter >the trash auto-dumps. Floppies SHOULD dump, but it is not always necessary >on a 20M hard disk. Whether trash should be emptied depends only indirectly on whether you're running a floppy or a hd. The two direct questions are (1) will I need the space used by this file before I get back to the finder again, and (2) do I want the next person who gets foo's hands on this [hard] disk to be able to pull my file out of the trash. On a hd you're less likely to need the space, but sometimes you will and often on a floppy you won't (although this is less and less likely as System/Finder->800K :-) I'll ignore (2). The way to get around (1) is to make the concepts "Trash", "Throw a file in the Trash" and the "Empty the Trash" part of the File Manager instead of just part of the Finder interface to the File Manager (this falls under the category of making the internal data structures parallel the user model). "creat", "allocate", and anything that needs more disk space could reclaim the space used by a file and delete it from a real "Trash" directory under HFS. Likewise, "delete" could move the file into "Trash". Note that this is exactly what happens when you're in the finder from the user's viewpoint; making "Trash" a real folder and moving the actions that use it into the File Manager just maintain the illusion consistently across applications. I don't expect Apple to make the above change. Although I don't see anything wrong with it, and would like to see it too, it's a rather major change, doesn't solve a very major problem, and might have unexpected repercussions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Oliver Steele ...!{decvax,ihnp4}!mcnc!unc!steele steele%unc@mcnc.org "They're directly beneath us, Moriarty. Release the piano!"
yossie@nsta.UUCP (Yossie Silverman ) (06/30/87)
I too think the trash can should be a folder; This would make life very easy when VERY large capacity WORM storage devices come out. Just imagin the garbage can is a very large folder which contains anything you ever threw out (there are probably some problems assosiated with duplicate names but I leave that to the software designer to solve! :-) Since the disk has an almost unlimited capacity (how large are current WORM disks? I seem to recall numbers in the gigabyte range and maybe more) You could fill it till it was almost full and then simply copy the stuff you want to keep to a new WORM disk (after all, they are just cheep pieces of plastic, no?) and the garbage would be literally thrown out (and recycled; show me a mac garbage can that can recycle its contents! :-) Yossie I dont have a .signature file in which I dont keep a disclaimer because (a) I am lazy and (b) no one cares what I have to say anyway. BTW, What did the Caspian sea?
socha@drivax.UUCP (07/08/87)
In article <8351@ut-sally.UUCP> stevew@ut-sally.UUCP (Steve Williams) writes: >I'm new to the net, but not the Mac. One thing that has always irked me >about the Finder on a hard disk system is the insistence on emptying the >trash at every application launch. Poor (wo)man's solution: Create a folder called "TRASH" (or whatever) and instead of putting stuff in the real one put it in the folder and Trash it later! -- UUCP:...!amdahl!drivax!socha WAT Iron'75 "Everything should be made as simple as possible but not simpler." A. Einstein