[comp.sys.mac] Cheap HD's -- Summary

tra@j.cc.purdue.edu (T.R. Arnold) (08/11/87)

As promised, here is a summary of my findings regarding cheap hard disks
on the market.  I might also add that I have ordered one of the drives
suggested below.  I found that the 30meg drive (29ms) from Cutting Edge
[reply 3] seemed to be the best buy at $599.  I will let everyone know how
well it works once I get it (3 week waiting period before shipping; I'm in no
hurry!).  Thanks to everyone who replied to my question.  Yet another fine
example of how powerful the network can be!!  Below is the original posting
and the resulting replies:


Original post:
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%I am this close || to purchasing a hard disk drive for my Mac Plus.  I was
%looking for internals, but since the SE came out, everyone has decided that
%the Mac Plus can't handle internal drives because of the power supply.
%(* Harumph! *)  So, I started looking for the cheapest (keyword: cheapest)
%hard disk on the market (that would not be DOA and would last).  Sound
%familiar?  I suppose this is normal consumer shopping at its best, eh?
%
%Anyway, I came upon an ad in MacUser for Microtech Peripherals, Inc.  They
%have the cheapest 30meg drive  --  external SCSI  --  I have seen for the
%Macintosh.  It is a "Nova 30" and sells for $689.  My question:  Is this
%really the cheapest (or "one of...") ??  And, if so, is it a reliable drive?
%
%They also list as benefits: One Year Warranty, Tech Support (toll free), and
%free shipping (UPS ground).  Also, a 30day money back guarantee.  Is this
%too good to be true?, or am I way off base?  I wanna jump on the band wagon
%and become one of the many proud owners of a hard drive for my Mac!!  I would
%really like an internal, but as I said companies seem to be staying away from
%Mac Plus internals with the intro of the SE.
%
%I would appreciate any and all replies.  I will post a summary if needed.
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Reply 1:
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%I don't know anything about the Microtech Peripherals drive but
%we just bought a Jasmine 20 meg drive for our Mac Plus. There was
%a three week wait due to heavy demand, but now that we have it I
%am very impressed. I was easy to setup and came pre-formatted. It
%also had about 10 megs of public domain or shareware programs,
%many of which are quite useful. Most are the most current versions.
%
%The Jasmine came with an excellent typeset manual--no longer is
%it a stack of 8 1/2" paper stapled together as some reported here.
%The drive is quieter than the Apple HD20SC, although I worry about
%operating it on really hot days (there have been several this week)
%because it does get fairly hot. It seems well put together, though,
%and I am satisfied (so far) that we have a good drive.
%
%Jasmine offers a thirty day money back guarantee and all that.
%One thing that bothered me: my drive arrived a couple of days late,
%and when I called to find out the status of my order they were
%unable to tell me. They said they would call back but they didn't.
%The next day it came so I never had to call back.
%
%Phillip Todd
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Reply 2:
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%I'd seriously recommend looking at Jasmine.  I believe their 20-MB drive
%is competitive with the price you mentioned; if you can scare up a few
%extra $$, they have several larger sizes for not a lot more.  They have
%a good reputation for quality and standing behind their products.  (From
%what I've read in this newsgroup over the past year, ALL hard disk
%suppliers have some percentage of DOA drives, probably due to shipping
%mishaps.  Thus the real issue is whether the supplier will replace a
%dead drive quickly/without hassle; Jasmine is reputed to do so.)
%Jasmine has an excellent manual, and also they ship a rather nice
%collection of PD and shareware software on their disks, rather than
%just sending you a blank disk like most people.
%I have a Jasmine 80MB that I bought a couple months ago; I'm quite
%happy with it.  Just one complaint: they were overly optimistic
%(by about 10 days) in their initially quoted shipping date.  This
%was probably due to unexpected demand for the 80MB (which is a lovely
%drive, at an unbelievable price for the size) but if you need your
%drive "tomorrow" you may want to deal with a place that ships from stock.
%
%				tom lane
%
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Reply 3:
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%Cutting Edge (1-800-443-5199) is selling a 30 Mb, 29 ms (fast) drive
%with Cable and terminator, convection cooled with automatic head
%parking, for $600.
%
%It is currently compatible with the Mac+, and will soon (~end of August)
%be compatible with the SE and MacII.  (Other drive makers are also
%having trouble using the SE and MacII, so it is probably Apple's
%fault.)
%
%I have an SE, and I intend to get a II in 6 months or so, so I plan
%to wait until the drive is ready.  In the mean time, if you buy
%this drive, give me a yes/no on whether it has problems.  (You
%know how penguins test the water for leopard seals? they all huddle
%on the ice flow and push and shove until one falls off.  They then
%wait to see if he gets eaten.  If he doesn't, then everybody
%jumps into the water.  The second penguin in is the best off,
%because he gets to the fish before they are eaten by anybody
%but the first penguin, the first penguin often gets eaten
%and the last penguin often gets nothing to eat.  I don't
%know what this has to do with buying computer hardware, but
%it does make for interesting reading, doesn't it :-)
%
%Even if you don't buy the Cutting Edge product, mail me to tell me
%what you do buy.  There is no point in us both being eaten by the
%same seal.
%
%
%		David Palmer
%		palmer@tybalt.caltech.edu
%		...seismo!cit-vax!tybalt!palmer
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Reply 4:
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%Faced with the same decision when I decided to buy a hard disk for my
%MacPlus, I decided to bite the bullet and take the safest, most conservative
%route by buying from Apple, while a friend (in the next office) decided to do
%the opposite and buy the cheapest drive around.  I bought the Apple HD20
%(non-SC, because at the time SC was rumoured not to work quite right), and
%my friend bought the Rodime 20 Meg.  The following is a comparison of our
%experiences with the two.
%
%Delivery:       Apple Canada (I ordered direct) delivered within two weeks,
%                pretty good in the university environment.
%                Rodime took about a month to deliver, partly because they
%                don't seem to have a decent Canadian distributor.
%
%Set-up:         Both systems set up and ran almost instantly with little
%                or no user knowledge required.  The Rodime comes with a
%                customized version of the System file that can't be updated
%                except from Rodime.  This means my friend is stuck with System
%                3.x until Rodime decides to customize a newer one (and tell him
%                about it).  Naturally, the Apple disk runs with any new
%                version of the MacPlus System file I can get my hands on.
%
%Speed:          The Apple non-SCSI is slow to boot and slow in the Finder.
%                In any application, it very rapidly comes up to full speed
%                using the 256k RAM Cache, after which it is indistiguishable
%                from instant. The Rodime SCSI is always lightning fast to boot,
%                in the Finder and in applications with or without the cache on.
%                It is slightly faster with cache on.
%
%Reliability:    The Apple HD20 drive died horribly about two weeks after I got
%                it and lost me a full week's work and two more weeks of my Mac
%                time to get fixed.  So much for the safest choice.
%                The problem was even worse because at the time Apple had not
%                released HD Backup and so no backup program came with the
%                drive.  Since being repaired, the HD20 has worked reliably for
%                almost a year.  The Rodime has always worked reliably and
%                comes with its own backup program.  Both drives are left on
%                24 hours a day, 365 days a year (which I recommend as the most
%                reliable way to use a hard disk; even if you choose to turn off
%                your Mac overnight or over weekends, leave the HD on).
%                Both have survived and recovered unattended from several power
%                outages protected only by a surge-suppressor power bar (which
%                I recommend for all Macs anyway; the Mac is more sensitive to
%                power surges than the hard drives are).
%
%If I can tell you anything else of use, let me know.
%
%Jim Cordy
%Dept. Computing and Information Science
%Queen's University
%Kingston Canada
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			Tom Arnold -- tra@j.cc.PURDUE.EDU

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