oster@dewey.soe.berkeley.edu.UUCP (09/08/87)
In article <668@uokmax.UUCP> rob@uokmax.UUCP (Robert K. Shull) writes: >Tsk, tsk. NEVER mention "Sun", "support", and "less money" all in the same >breath. You're just asking for it. In case you are curious, here is a posting that appeared recently in the Sun newsgroup: Article 553 of comp.periphs: Path: ucbvax!ucbcad!ames!elroy!jplopto!earle From: earle@jplopto.uucp (Greg Earle) Newsgroups: comp.periphs Subject: 3rd party SCSI disks/tape for Sun-3/60? Keywords: SCSI ESDI Message-ID: <4372@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov> Date: 31 Aug 87 10:00:42 GMT Sender: news@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Reply-To: earle@mahendo.JPL.NASA.GOV (Greg Earle) Followup-To: poster Distribution: na Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA Lines: 25 This is a rehashed topic, but with the base price of a 16" color Sun-3/60C being under $10K ($9900), which translates to $6930 for those places lucky enough to have 30% discounts, it's really time to start looking seriously at this machine. The problem of course is that Sun is Not In The Disk Business. Thus, to get the minimum level of functionality out of the machine as a standalone, you have to get the 141 Mbyte SCSI/ESDI disk & 60 Mbyte 1/4" tape. This lists for $6500 (/$4550 @ 30%); in other words, almost 65-70% of the cost of the machine itself. Ouch. (---- end included material ---) so at $6500+$9900=$16,400.00 (list) or $6930+$4550=$11,480.00 (university discount) for a usable bottom of the line color sun, versus the Mac II prices, I know which I'd rather buy. So please, if you think the Sun is in the same price range as the Mac II, think again before you post. They are two very different machines. *** Opinion follows *** I've got an old multi-bus 68000 unix box (similar to a Sun-1) sitting in my closet, a gift from a friend who had no use for it. I have never even turned it on. I spent the years 1978-1983 as a Unix guru, and I haven't found even one piece of Unix software that is worth powering up that machine for, when I've got a mac right here. (If I ever loose my current net account, I suppose I'll bring up uucp and rn on it, but for the moment it is more convenient to have the machine room I log into not be in _my_ house.) *** End Opinion *** Those with conflicting views, please E-mail me. I am always ready to learn. --- David Phillip Oster --My Good News: "I'm a perfectionist." Arpa: oster@dewey.soe.berkeley.edu --My Bad News: "I don't charge by the hour." Uucp: {seismo,decvax,ihnp4}!ucbvax!oster%dewey.soe.berkeley.edu
richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton) (09/09/87)
In article <20548@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> oster@dewey.soe.berkeley.edu.UUCP (David Phillip Oster) writes: >In article <668@uokmax.UUCP> rob@uokmax.UUCP (Robert K. Shull) writes: >>Tsk, tsk. NEVER mention "Sun", "support", and "less money" all in the same >>breath. You're just asking for it. > >In case you are curious, here is a posting that appeared recently in the Sun [...] > >This is a rehashed topic, but with the base price of a 16" color Sun-3/60C >being under $10K ($9900), which translates to $6930 for those places lucky >enough to have 30% discounts, it's really time to start looking seriously >at this machine. The problem of course is that Sun is Not In The Disk Business >Thus, to get the minimum level of functionality out of the machine as a >standalone, you have to get the 141 Mbyte SCSI/ESDI disk & 60 Mbyte 1/4" tape. >This lists for $6500 (/$4550 @ 30%); in other words, almost 65-70% of the cost >of the machine itself. Ouch. > >(---- end included material ---) >so at $6500+$9900=$16,400.00 (list) or >$6930+$4550=$11,480.00 (university discount) for a usable bottom of the >line color sun, versus the Mac II prices, I know which I'd rather buy. > >So please, if you think the Sun is in the same price range as the Mac II, >think again before you post. They are two very different machines. [...] > >--- David Phillip Oster --My Good News: "I'm a perfectionist." DESKTOP TECHNICAL WORKSTATIONS (MONOCHROME) VS. PCs =================================================== SUN APOLLO VAX IBM APPLE --- ------ --- --- ----- Model 3/50M DN3000L 2000 PS 80-071 Mac II Chip MC68020 MC68020 uVAX78032 80386 MC68020 MIPS 1.5 1.2 0.9(1) 2.0 1.2 Max Mem 4MB ? ? 16MB 8MB Display 19" 19" 15" 12" 12" Res. 1152x900 1280x1024 1024x864 640x480 640x480 Disk 282MB 348MB 318MB 230MB 80MB Price(2) $9,995(3) $9,490(3) $11,300 $13,370 $13,350 (1) New systems to be announced at 3.0 MIPS (2) With 71 MB hard disk and cartridge tape (3) Available diskless with server for $5,000 less Source: Sun Microsystems and Apollo Computer Disclaimer: I read it in Infoworld, so it *must* be true. -- Richard J. Sexton INTERNET: richard@gryphon.CTS.COM UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd, sdcsvax, ihnp4, nosc}!crash!gryphon!richard "It's too dark to put the key in my ignition..."