snyder@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Scott Snyder) (09/10/87)
Hi,
I've been trying to create a boot disk without a finder. Everytime I try
to get rid of the finder by setting either an application or a Minifinder as
the startup I have problems. The Mac will start (a happy Mac) and then spit
out the disk. When I put the finder back on or start from a differnt drive I
have no problem. For some reason the system wants to see the finder even if
its not using it.
I must be doing something stupid, or in the wrong order. Please help.
Scott snyder@tcgould.tn.cornell.edujoseph@cooper.UUCP (Joe Giannuzzi) (09/10/87)
In article <2287@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu>, snyder@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Scott Snyder) writes: > Hi, > I've been trying to create a boot disk without a finder. Everytime I try > to get rid of the finder by setting either an application or a Minifinder as > the startup I have problems. The Mac will start (a happy Mac) and then spit > out the disk. When I put the finder back on or start from a differnt drive I > have no problem. For some reason the system wants to see the finder even if > its not using it. I am not sure of this, being a relatively new mac user, but I think the disk has to contain a file called Finder regardless of whether a startup file has been selected. Creating an empty file called Finder on the disk should work. (so I've heard) I guess you could then render the pseudo-Finder invisible. Joe Gunoz cmcl2!phri!cooper!joseph "The answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything is ... forty two."
dudek@utcsri.UUCP (09/12/87)
You can't just remove the Finder from a boot disk even if some
other program in set as startup. I'm not sure, but Finder may run
briefly & invisibly to launch the actual startup program.
In you want a startup disk that really does not have a finder, you
can either just rename to application you want to use as startup
to be "Finder", or edit the boot blocks field (the one with
"Finder" in it) to hold the name of your "new" program. This
latter approach has the disadvantage that if the boot blocks get
rewritten you're out of luck & have to re-edit.blm@cxsea.UUCP (Brian Matthews) (09/13/87)
In article <5387@utcsri.UUCP> dudek@utcsri.UUCP (Gregory Dudek) writes: | You can't just remove the Finder from a boot disk even if some |other program in set as startup. I'm not sure, but Finder may run |briefly & invisibly to launch the actual startup program. The Finder is not used to launch the startup program, it's done with a simple _Launch trap. However, under HFS at least, the folder containing the System file and the Finder is known as the blessed folder. When you boot, this is the folder searched when looking for the System and Finder. If you remove the Finder, your System Folder is no longer blessed, so you will be unable to boot from that disk. | In you want a startup disk that really does not have a finder, you |can either just rename to application you want to use as startup |to be "Finder", or edit the boot blocks field (the one with |"Finder" in it) to hold the name of your "new" program. This |latter approach has the disadvantage that if the boot blocks get |rewritten you're out of luck & have to re-edit. Both of these work nicely. Renaming your application to Finder is probably the easiest. -- Brian L. Matthews "A man with one watch knows ...{mnetor,uw-beaver!ssc-vax}!cxsea!blm what time it is; a man with +1 206 251 6811 two watches isn't so sure." Computer X Inc. - a division of Motorola New Enterprises
cgeiger@ut-ngp.UUCP (charles s. geiger, esq.) (09/14/87)
> > I've been trying to create a boot disk without a finder. Everytime I try > > to get rid of the finder by setting either an application or a Minifinder as > > the startup I have problems. The Mac will start (a happy Mac) and then spit > > out the disk. When I put the finder back on or start from a differnt drive I > > have no problem. For some reason the system wants to see the finder even if > > its not using it. > > I am not sure of this, being a relatively new mac user, but I think the disk > has to contain a file called Finder regardless of whether a startup file has > been selected. Creating an empty file called Finder on the disk should work. > (so I've heard) I guess you could then render the pseudo-Finder invisible. I am sure of this: rename the application 'Finder.' This will work. cheers, from charles s. geiger ARPA: cgeiger@ngp.cc.utexas.edu cgeiger@ut-ngp.ARPA UUCP: ihnp4!ut-ngp!cgeiger allegra!ut-ngp!cgeiger gatech!ut-ngp!cgeiger seismo!ut-sally!ut-ngp!cgeiger harvard!ut-sally!ut-ngp!cgeiger