dwd@sfsup.UUCP (David W. Dougherty) (09/21/87)
Does anybody out there know where I might find the Macintosh
Programmers Workshop program (MPW). I want to purchase a
copy, and a reputable mail order firm would be preferred.
Thanx in advance,
David W. Dougherty @
{...ihpn4...}!attunix!dwdrussell@acf3.NYU.EDU (Bill Russell) (09/22/87)
MPW is a shell system, a set of utilities and an assembler and linker. It is a very complete, Unix-like environment. Pascal and C are extra-cost additions. If you like Unix, you will love it, if you don't think Unix is that terrific then you will tolerate the interface to get the power and the standardization (everybody, almost, uses it). Unfortunately you can obtain it only from APDA in Renton WA. It is a very debatable issue as to whether APDA can be called a "reputable dealer". You can call APDA at (206) 251-6548 to join (it's a coop) and order MPW. Then you wait for a couple of years, and MPW will arrive with at least two disks unreadable. Then you call them and ask for readable disks; then you wait another indeterminate period -- and you'll have MPW!! Good luck! -r (Richard Reich as russell@nyu)
jordan@apple.UUCP (Jordan Mattson) (09/22/87)
At present the Macintosh Programmer's Workshop (MPW) can only be purchased from the Apple Programmer's and Developer's Assoication (APDA). APDA is a membership organization, which cost $20.00 a year to join, which gives you their quarterly catalog and the right to purchase product through APDA. APDA is the channel for all Apple Developer Tools. APDA can be reached at the following address: APDA 290 SW 43rd Street Renton, WA 98055 (206) 251-6548 I would suggest you call and request a membership application, and then when you join, order MPW. Hope this helps! -- Jordan Mattson UUCP: ucbvax!mtxinu!apple!jordan Apple Computer, Inc. CSNET: jordan@apple.CSNET Tools & Languages Product Management 20525 Mariani Avenue, MS 27S Cupertino, CA 95014 408-973-4601 "Joy is the serious business of heaven." C.S. Lewis
STORKEL@RICE.BITNET (Scott Storkel) (09/22/87)
You can get MPW from APDA (Apple Programmer's and Developer's Association)
their address is:
APDA
290 SW 43rd Street
Renton, WA 98055
and the phone number is:
(206) 251-6548
Hope that helps.
Scott Storkel
Rice University Macintosh Software Development
Disclaimer: My employers don't even realize that I can operate mainframe and
are not responsible for my actions.sysop@stech.UUCP (09/24/87)
in article <2071@sfsup.UUCP>, dwd@sfsup.UUCP (David W. Dougherty) says: > > Does anybody out there know where I might find the Macintosh > Programmers Workshop program (MPW). I want to purchase a > copy, and a reputable mail order firm would be preferred. > Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but the only place I know of to get MPW is through APDA (Apple Programmers and Developers Association). You have to be a member to order from them ($20/year). Jan Harrington, sysop Scholastech Telecommunications ihnp4!husc6!amcad!stech!sysop or allegra!stech!sysop
jwhitnel@csib.UUCP (09/24/87)
In article <170026@acf3.NYU.EDU| russell@acf3.NYU.EDU (Bill Russell) writes: |MPW is a shell system, a set of utilities and an assembler and linker. It |is a very complete, Unix-like environment. Pascal and C are extra-cost |additions. If you like Unix, you will love it, if you don't think Unix |is that terrific then you will tolerate the interface to get the power |and the standardization (everybody, almost, uses it). Not everybody. Many of us prefer LightspeedC for programming in C. I have use UNIX, a PC and a Mac and of the three, the Mac with LightspeedC is by far the fastest and easist. |Unfortunately you can obtain it only from APDA in Renton WA. It is |a very debatable issue as to whether APDA can be called a "reputable |dealer". |You can call APDA at (206) 251-6548 to join (it's a coop) and order |MPW. |Then you wait for a couple of years, and MPW will arrive with at least |two disks unreadable. Then you call them and ask for readable disks; |then you wait another indeterminate period -- and you'll have MPW!! In case anyone thinks Richard is being sarcastic, let me assure you that his comments are quite true. APDA is the only dealer I've dealt with that requires Fed Ex's 2 day service take at least four days (and I'm still waiting). I wish Apple would release their development tools to other dealers to carry. Then we could get better service and better prices! |Good luck! |-r |(Richard Reich as russell@nyu) Jerry Whitnell It's a damn poor mind that can only Communication Solutions, Inc. think of one way to spell a word. -- Andrew Jackson
hammen@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Robert Joseph Hammen) (09/28/87)
>|Unfortunately you can obtain it only from APDA in Renton WA. It is >|a very debatable issue as to whether APDA can be called a "reputable >|dealer". >|You can call APDA at (206) 251-6548 to join (it's a coop) and order >|MPW. >|Then you wait for a couple of years, and MPW will arrive with at least >|two disks unreadable. Then you call them and ask for readable disks; >|then you wait another indeterminate period -- and you'll have MPW!! >In case anyone thinks Richard is being sarcastic, let me assure you that >his comments are quite true. APDA is the only dealer I've dealt with that >requires Fed Ex's 2 day service take at least four days (and I'm still waiting). >I wish Apple would release their development tools to other dealers to carry. >Then we could get better service and better prices! I second these comments, not from my own experience, but from that of a friend of mine. His MPW 2.0 took an incredible amount of time from the date that it supposedly was shipped until it reached him. Then, when it did reach him, two of the disks were damaged. This problem seems to be exacerbated by APDA's continued usage of single-sided disks as double-sided. In any case, with MPW Pascal 2.0 undergoing bug fixes, I don't believe he still has a working MPW Pascal 2.0. I could also tell about the time he ordered the new Macintalk (1.31) and instead received something like "Macintosh Programming Tools" with a shipping address and credit card number of some other person (presumably, someone else got his Macintalk and also access to his credit card numbers). He had numerous problems getting any response from APDA, even by sending them mail on AppleLink. I second the suggestion that Apple release its development tools through a second, more competent source. I plan on letting my APDA membership expire, since I really hesitate to do business with them unless I absolutely have to. Robert Hammen Computer Applications, Inc. hammen@csd4.milw.wisc.edu Delphi: HAMMEN GEnie: R.Hammen Robert Hammen Computer Applications, Inc. hammen@csd4.milw.wisc.edu Delphi: HAMMEN GEnie: R.Hammen
DLE@KL.SRI.COM (David L. Edwards) (09/29/87)
I recently (last Thursday) ordered MPW and a handful of other items from APDA and it arrived on Monday. That is reasonable turn around time as far as I am concerned. They have given me similar turn around on previous orders. My gripe is that I have MPW and MacApp but I am waiting for Pascal (backordered). I hope Apple releases it quickly. I believe APDA is trying to improve things but a second source would be nice. -dle
singer@endor.harvard.edu (Richard Siegel) (09/30/87)
In article <12338510906029@KL.SRI.COM> DLE@KL.SRI.COM (David L. Edwards) writes: > >I recently (last Thursday) ordered MPW and a handful of other items >from APDA and it arrived on Monday. That is reasonable turn around That's been my experience, too. Pretty good turnaround. >but I am waiting for Pascal (backordered). I hope Apple releases >it quickly. Pascal *has* been released; I just suspect that supply is outpacing demand at the moment. Or maybe APDA ran out of single-sided floppies? :-) >I believe APDA is trying to improve things but a second source >would be nice. Amen to that! Can you say "Monopoly"? --Rich **The opinions stated herein are my own opinions and do not necessarily represent the policies or opinions of my employer (THINK Technologies, Inc). Richard M. Siegel Customer Support Representative THINK Technologies, Inc. Uucp: {decvax, ucbvax, sun}!harvard!endor!singer Internet/Arpanet: singer@harvard.harvard.edu No one writes programs that work right the first time. If they did, I'd be out of a job.
jww@sdcsvax.UCSD.EDU (Joel West) (09/30/87)
Unshipped MPW Pascal 2.0 orders are being delayed until duplication
of the 2.0.1 disks is complete. There's a serious but obscure
bug that is corrected in the new release, as documented by
Tech Note #162.
--
Joel West (c/o UCSD)
Palomar Software, Inc., P.O. Box 2635, Vista, CA 92083
{ucbvax,ihnp4}!sdcsvax!jww jww@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu
or ihnp4!crash!palomar!joel joel@palomar.cts.comhammen@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Robert Joseph Hammen) (10/05/87)
In article <2907@husc6.UUCP> singer@endor.UUCP (Richard Siegel) writes: >In article <12338510906029@KL.SRI.COM> DLE@KL.SRI.COM (David L. Edwards) writes: > > Pascal *has* been released; I just suspect that supply is >outpacing demand at the moment. Or maybe APDA ran out of single-sided >floppies? :-) I just received an "in-between catalogs" update from APDA. In the newsletter, they apologize for not realizing that commercial disk-duplicators can wear out disk drives. So, if you are one of the many who got MPW with unreadable disks, call them up and they will send you replacements. As a bonus, you get to keep the old disks (wow). I think their reliability would improve more if they did stop using single-sided disks as double-sided. Other things of interest (that I can remember) from the catalog - they tell what HyperCard materials they will stock, including the Script Reference and the Goodman book. Inside Mac V is now in the final APDA draft. Someone is advertising a tape backup unit for less than the Apple one (and it is supposedly compatible, as well). Other than that, I don't think there was anything really earth-shattering in this letter. >>I believe APDA is trying to improve things but a second source >>would be nice. > > Amen to that! Can you say "Monopoly"? > Seconded! Can anyone at Apple who is reading this please pass this request to those making the decisions? Jordan? Robert Hammen Computer Applications, Inc. hammen@csd4.milw.wisc.edu Delphi: HAMMEN GEnie: R.Hammen