newton@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu (Mike Newton) (10/06/87)
Speaking of bad monitors...
I strongly advise against MAC II buyers buying the Mac II B&W monitor. I've
already gone through two, and have given up.
The reason that I got the B&W monitor is that Apple offered (to a few
universities) to provide FREE B&W monitors for those who ordered color monitors
and who would agree to delay receipt of the color monitor to 1/88.
Well, my first monitor crackled/poped. It was also badly aligned -- about
1/2 inch was on the top on the left side and about a 1/4 of an inch on the
right side. It also "streaked" -- the area to the right of any open window
was of a different shade than the same texture above and below.
My second monitor doesnt crackle. Also it's now only 3/8 on the left and
1/4 on the right. But it still streaks very badly.
I saw another persons B&W monitor -- same thing. I gave up. I sure wish
Apple had just sent my color monitor; these B&W ones are REAL #######.
- mike
ps: but the rest of the Mac is wonderful.... And _Real Soon Now_ A/UX.
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I'm never biased...singer@endor.harvard.edu (Richard Siegel) (10/06/87)
In article <4136@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu> newton@cit-vax.UUCP (Mike Newton) writes: >Speaking of bad monitors... > >I strongly advise against MAC II buyers buying the Mac II B&W monitor. I've >already gone through two, and have given up. > [miscellaneous monitor defects reported] I've seen a number of Apple monochrom and color monitors, and the only thing that's wrong with them is that the images are rotated a bit; otherwise the images are very clear and rock steady, and the color monitor is absoultely beautiful. I wonder if Apple is using the free monitor scheme to dump some below-spec screens?????? My Sony 1302 has stabilized a bit on its own, after I threatened to replace it with an oscilloscope. :-) --Rich **The opinions stated herein are my own opinions and do not necessarily represent the policies or opinions of my employer (THINK Technologies, Inc). * Richard M. Siegel | {decvax, ucbvax, sun}!harvard!endor!singer * * Customer Support | singer@endor.harvard.edu * * THINK Technologies, Inc. (No snappy quote) *
loucks@intvax.UUCP (Cliff Loucks) (10/08/87)
in article <4136@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu>, newton@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu (Mike Newton) says: > > Speaking of bad monitors... > I strongly advise against MAC II buyers buying the Mac II B&W monitor. > > Well, my first monitor crackled/poped. It was also badly aligned -- about [...] I too am not as pleased with the monochrome monitor as I would like to be. Mine doesn't show any of the problems mentioned above, but the contrast just isn't near as good as the original mac monitors. My monitor image sags a little in the top left corner; but it's not untolerable. I have adjusted the contrast and intensity (both with the external knobs and the pots under the access panel on the back); and can get a setting that seems alright (under normal office lighting) until I go back to an old 512KE we have and see how much nicer it is. Before going back to mine, I go down the hall and look at the 19" SuperMac monochrome monitor another person has; see how completely washed out that image is; so that mine doesn't seem so bad anymore. Oh well, maybe I can exchange the monochrome for a color next year when Apple starts up its trade-in program. -- Cliff Loucks [gatech | ucbvax]!unmvax!sandia!intvax!loucks Sandia National Labs, Albuquerque, New Mexico Poor New Mexico; So far from Heaven, and so close to Texas.
dlt@csun.UUCP (Dave Thompson) (10/09/87)
In article <4136@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu> newton@cit-vax.UUCP (Mike Newton) writes: >I strongly advise against MAC II buyers buying the Mac II B&W monitor. I've >already gone through two, and have given up. [errata deleted ...] Well, my Apple monochrome monitor is working just fine, thankyou! The alignment is reasonably good--the upper right corner might be off a bit or so. From what I've seen of the color monitors they don't seem as sharp as the monochrome. Until I actually *see* the Apple color unit and find it acceptable, I don't plan to get the color. Color's nice (I suppose) but there really isn't any software available yet that does much with it. And then there's the not so minor problem of an output device. Color laser printers are a ways off (affordable or not). Dave -- Dave Thompson uucp: {ihnp4|hplabs|psivax}!csun!dlt CSUN Computer Center phone: (818) 885-2790 18111 Nordhoff Street, Northridge, CA 91330
dplatt@teknowledge-vaxc.ARPA (Dave Platt) (10/12/87)
The original poster of the "Problems with Apple Monitors" message noted one symptom that I don't believe is the fault of the Apple monochrome monitor. Specifically, s/he mentioned that the screen background (gray) appeared somewhat streaky and white immediately to the right of an open window. I can see the same symptom on my Apple color monitor, which is a rather different beast than the monochrome monitor. In fact, I can also see a slight dark shadow to the right of the text within the MacKermit window I'm looking at right now, so the problem isn't just one of "too bright". I'd hazard a guess that the slight streakiness I see is due to some strange behavior in the Apple video card, or in an interaction between card, cable, and monitor. Impedence mismatch, leading to standing waves, perhaps? Can anybody from Apple shed a bit of light on this?