MJSCHMEL@pucc.Princeton.EDU (Michael J. Schmelzer) (09/29/87)
HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP
I need a comprehensive guide on how to prepare:
a) An 800k MFS disk
b) A 400k HFS disk
I think you're supposed to hold down the option key while initializing,
but I haven't gotten that to work.
Item (a) is especially vital, as I will need a blank 800k MFS disk
to implement file recovery schemes!
Your help is hugely appreciated!
AM I THE ONLY ONE NOT USING UNIX? =======================================
From the pastures of thrice blessed felicity...sonic love! -Mike
==SATAN==============IS============BORING.===============================ching@amd.UUCP (09/30/87)
In article <3443@pucc.Princeton.EDU> MJSCHMEL@pucc.Princeton.EDU writes: > >I need a comprehensive guide on how to prepare: > > a) An 800k MFS disk > b) A 400k HFS disk > I believe a) is only possible by initializing with a pre-HFS system. To do b) you need to press option when you name the disk.
khayo@sonia.cs.ucla.edu (Erazm J. Behr) (09/30/87)
In article <3443@pucc.Princeton.EDU> MJSCHMEL@pucc.Princeton.EDU writes: >HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP >I need a comprehensive guide on how to prepare: > a) An 800k MFS disk > b) A 400k HFS disk MacWorld, April 87, p.207: a) boot up with System 2.0, Finder 4.1 & erase (initialize) the DS disk b) with 128 ROM, hold down "option" when clicking "One-sided" in the Initialize dialog, and ***hold it down*** during initiali- zation. Also, you can use HFS with the 64K ROM as long as the HD20 file *sits in the system folder*, but I assume you have the new ROM. Hope it helps. ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>>---------------> khayo@math.ucla.edu
isle@dartvax.UUCP (Ken Hancock) (10/01/87)
In article <3443@pucc.Princeton.EDU> MJSCHMEL@pucc.Princeton.EDU writes: > > a) An 800k MFS disk > b) A 400k HFS disk a) Initialize a disk with System 2.0 and Finder 5.3 or later. b) Initialize a disk with System 3.2 and Finder 5.3 (?) or later and hold down the option key before choosing erase disk and clicking single sided. Ken -- Ken Hancock UUCP: isle@dartvax BITNET: isle@u2.dartmouth.edu DISCLAIMER: If people weren't so sue-happy, I wouldn't need one!
mrh@Shasta.UUCP (10/01/87)
In article <3443@pucc.Princeton.EDU>, MJSCHMEL@pucc.Princeton.EDU (Michael J. Schmelzer) writes: > > I need a comprehensive guide on how to prepare: > > a) An 800k MFS disk You need to use Finder 4.1 and System 2.0 to create an 800k MFS disk. I'm not sure you can even boot the SE with that system so you may be out of luck with that but if you're using a Plus you're in luck. > b) A 400k HFS disk > I think you're supposed to hold down the option key while initializing, > but I haven't gotten that to work. As I recall you need to hold down the option key when you name the disk and hit OK in the initialization dialog. This certainly worked under earlier system versions. > > Item (a) is especially vital, as I will need a blank 800k MFS disk > to implement file recovery schemes! CopyII Mac version 6.5 supports file recovery on HFS floppy disks by using the tags. If you wish to UNDELETE a file, this works fine. If you want to RECOVER damaged files, MacZap is the best tool I've seen so far. In any case I think the only reason you want 800K MFS disks is if you have a (old) copy of a program which is not HFS compatible and you want the extra disk space. David Gelphman daveg%slacvm.bitnet@forsythe.stanford.edu
russ@oakhill.UUCP (Russell Schwausch) (10/02/87)
In article <3443@pucc.Princeton.EDU> MJSCHMEL@pucc.Princeton.EDU writes: > >I need a comprehensive guide on how to prepare: > > a) An 800k MFS disk > b) A 400k HFS disk > To get an 800K MFS Disk send $10 and a SASE to ... %-) If you have MacServe, here's how to roll your own 800K MFS disk: From Finder, initialize a disk double-sided. In MacServe Manager, erase disk as MFS. Bingo, you have an 800K MFS disk. -- Russell Schwausch, Motorola Inc., OakHill, Tx. (A suburb of Austin) UUCP: {harvard,ihnp4,seismo,gatech,nbires}..!ut-sally!oakhill!russ Ma Bell: (512)440-2426 It's a ticket agent, it's a fare collector, no ... it's SUPERCONDUCTOR!!!
mentat@auscso.UUCP (Robert Dorsett) (10/02/87)
In article <3443@pucc.Princeton.EDU> MJSCHMEL@pucc.Princeton.EDU writes: > >I need a comprehensive guide on how to prepare: > > a) An 800k MFS disk Initialize a disk as 800K under a newer Finder (5.1 or later), then erase it with Finder 4.1. > b) A 400k HFS disk I think the pamphlet distributed with the 800K drive says to hold down the option button while clicking "initialize". One of the things that stuck out about my Plus upgrade was that you can get some pretty weird stuff just about anywhere by holding down that option button...:-) -- Robert Dorsett {allegra,seismo}!sally!ut-ngp!walt!mentat University of Texas at Austin {allegra, seismo}!sally!ut-ngp!auscso!mentat
earleh@dartvax.UUCP (Earle R. Horton) (10/06/87)
In article <1005@oakhill.UUCP>, russ@oakhill.UUCP (Russell Schwausch) writes: > In article <3443@pucc.Princeton.EDU> MJSCHMEL@pucc.Princeton.EDU writes: > > > >I need a comprehensive guide on how to prepare: > > > > a) An 800k MFS disk > > b) A 400k HFS disk > > > > To get an 800K MFS Disk send $10 and a SASE to ... %-) > > If you have MacServe, here's how to roll your own 800K MFS disk: ... You can get a 400k HFS disk by holding down the option key while initializing a disk single-sided in a double-sided drive. You can get an 800k MFS disk by booting a Mac 512ke, Mac Plus, maybe SE, not likely Mac II with System 2.0 or older and then erasing or initializing a disk. System 2.0 or older will always produce an 800k MFS floppy while erasing a disk in a 128k ROM machine or newer (if the disk is in an 800k drive). Why you would need an 800k MFS floppy completely escapes me. Programs which cannot work with HFS are not written correctly for the Macintosh, and do not work correctly in the strictest sense even with MFS. One function of the Trash Can is as a repository for such software. -- ********************************************************************* *Earle R. Horton, H.B. 8000, Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH 03755 * *********************************************************************
james@cantuar.UUCP (10/12/87)
Earle R. Horton (earleh@dartvax.UUCP) writes: ... >Why you would need an 800k MFS floppy completely escapes me. ... RamStart users find 800k MFS floppies quite useful. I usually set RamStart as the startup application, and have it copy the System, Finder and whatever else I require. The easiest way to do this is to place RamStart in the System folder. (You could use a startup document, but..) By using an MFS floppy and keeping the various system initialisation files (Appleshare, MacsBug etc.) outside the system folder, you can avoid wasting ~50k of RamDisk (or rather, avoid the effort of dragging the icons into the rubbish bin). There are other uses for large MFS volumes - workable but aging PD software being just one of them. Another use involves a volume with ~50 source files, a clean desktop, and not having to take a tea break while using the Standard File dialog. This last one is surprising; take note :- To display the SFGetFile dialog, from selecting the drive to choosing the file from a 2nd-level folder of 50 files (System 3.3, both disks 60-70% full): 800k MFS: 4+-0.5 seconds 800k HFS: 15+-2 seconds (mostly 2nd level search) (Hmm.. you can improve the latter time substantially [~8s] by moving the files out of the folder and back again within the same disk. I guess this shakes up the catalog tree, but for some reason I find it unhealthy that tricks like this should be necessary.) ------------------------- James Collier Internet(ish): james@cantuar.{uucp,nz} Computer Science Dept., UUCP: {watmath,munnari,mcvax}!cantuar!james University of Canterbury, Spearnet/Janet: j.collier@nz.ac.canty Christchurch, New Zealand. Office: +64 3 482 009 x8356 Home: +64 3 554 025
mentat@auscso.UUCP (Robert Dorsett) (10/14/87)
In article <241@cantuar.UUCP> james@cantuar.UUCP (J. Collier) writes: >Earle R. Horton (earleh@dartvax.UUCP) writes: > ... >>Why you would need an 800k MFS floppy completely escapes me. > > RamStart users find 800k MFS floppies quite useful. > I usually set RamStart as the startup application, and have it copy the >System, Finder and whatever else I require. The easiest way to do this is to >place RamStart in the System folder. (You could use a startup document, but..) > By using an MFS floppy and keeping the various system initialisation files >(Appleshare, MacsBug etc.) outside the system folder, you can avoid wasting ~50k >of RamDisk (or rather, avoid the effort of dragging the icons into the rubbish >bin). Ramstart 1.4 or later, I believe, support specific file specification. One is expected to specify the files/folders that are to be copied on the HFS disk. The feature is fully documented within the program. ( p a d d i n g . . . ) -- Robert Dorsett {allegra,seismo}!sally!ut-ngp!walt!mentat University of Texas at Austin {allegra, seismo}!sally!ut-ngp!auscso!mentat