royt@gatech.edu (Roy M Turner) (11/01/87)
Hi--
This is probably a pointless question, but is there or is there likely to
be a version of X-windows for the Mac? We are using a SUN and some Lisp
machines (although we don't have X up on the lispm's yet), and it would be
nice to sit at home and use X.
Thanks.
Roy
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Roy Turner
School of Information and Computer Science
Georgia Insitute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
...!{akgua,allegra,amd,hplabs,ihnp4,seismo,ut-ngp}!ics.gatech.edu!roytborton@net1.ucsd.edu (Chris Borton) (11/02/87)
In article <16518@gatech.edu> royt@gatech.UUCP (Roy M Turner) writes: >This is probably a pointless question, but is there or is there likely to >be a version of X-windows for the Mac? We are using a SUN and some Lisp >machines (although we don't have X up on the lispm's yet), and it would be >nice to sit at home and use X. One of the praises I heard for A/UX back in March or April was that a developer had been given a Mac II with A/UX and X-Windows the day before a show and had it running demonstrations the day after at the affair. I don't know if anything came of this. I seem to recall the show being in Pennsylvania, but that could be vapor-thought. :-) Of course, that doesn't do much for most of the Mac community not running A/UX -cbb Chris "Johann" Borton, UC San Diego ...!sdcsvax!net1!borton borton@net1.ucsd.edu "Letztes Jahr in Deutschland, noch ein Jahr hier, en dan naar het Nederland!
stew@endor.UUCP (11/02/87)
In article <16518@gatech.edu> royt@gatech.UUCP (Roy M Turner) writes: >This is probably a pointless question, but is there or is there likely to >be a version of X-windows for the Mac? Yes, for certain it'll be part of A/UX. That may mean that the impetus will be there to port it to the current Mac O/S. Stew Rubenstein Cambridge Scientific Computing, Inc. UUCPnet: seismo!harvard!rubenstein CompuServe: 76525,421 Internet: rubenstein@harvard.harvard.edu MCIMail: CSC
viking@silver.UUCP (11/02/87)
Yes...X-windows is running on a Mac II, but only under A/UX. Both Ohio State University and Berkeley have completed a port (I believe). I don't think you'll ever see an X-windows 'terminal program' running under the normal Mac HFS software, however. By the way, A/UX is nice but I'm not sure how much the final product will cost (you need the Motorola MMU and you should have lots of disk space and at least 4 megs of main memory). Don't expect it to be cheap. | Jon W. Backstrom "Yah sure...we gonna have fun, you bet!" | | Computer Science Department | | Indiana University UUCP: {ihnp4,pyramid,rutgers}!iuvax!viking | | Lindley Hall 101 ARPA: viking@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu | | Bloomington, IN 47405 | | "The world has arrived at an age of cheap | | (812) 335-2849 (Office) complex devices of great reliability; and | | (812) 336-3660 (Home) something is bound to come of it." | | - Vannevar Bush (1945) |
verber@tut.UUCP (11/02/87)
X does indeed run under A/UX. The port was done at Berkeley and has been runs since early spring as I recall. It was a quick and dirty port using the basic bit chiseling. The next version (which might be done now) was to use the Apple roms for fast and fancy windows, graphics, etc. I also believe that NeWS has been ported to the MacII, but this is unconfirmed. Cheers, ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Science Department Mark A. Verber The Ohio State University verber@ohio-state.arpa +1 (614) 292-7344 cbosgd!osu-cis!verber
nazgul@apollo.uucp (Kee Hinckley) (11/03/87)
In article <3083@husc6.UUCP> stew@endor.UUCP (Stew Rubenstein) writes: > In article <16518@gatech.edu> royt@gatech.UUCP (Roy M Turner) writes: > >This is probably a pointless question, but is there or is there likely to > >be a version of X-windows for the Mac? > > Yes, for certain it'll be part of A/UX. That may mean that the > impetus will be there to port it to the current Mac O/S. There is at least one non A/UX port too as well, I think someone at MIT was doing it. However I doubt that you will see any port that will work over a modem. Even at 9600 baud I doubt the throughput would be terribly good. -nazgul -- ### {mit-erl,yale,uw-beaver}!apollo!nazgul ### apollo!nazgul@eddie.mit.edu ### ### pro-angmar!nazgul@pro-sol.cts.com ### nazgul@apollo.com ### ### (617) 641-3722 300/1200/2400 ### ### I'm not sure which upsets me more; that people are so unwilling to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to regulate everyone else's.
tedj@hpcilzb.HP.COM (Ted Johnson) (11/04/87)
Does the A/UX version of X windows use a 3-button mouse (as does the original X system, developed by MIT and DEC)? If not, how do they get around this? -Ted
lih@cunixc.columbia.edu (Andrew Lih) (11/04/87)
Yes, there is an X-windows for the Mac...it should be incorporated into the new Apple UNIX product sometime soon. Look into the latest issue of Macintosh Today for details... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Andrew A Lih...Computer Consultant, Columbia University.. lih@cunixc@columbia.edu ---------------
urban@sol.SPS.TRW.COM (Michael Urban) (11/04/87)
In article <383ec1cf.b0a1@apollo.uucp> nazgul@apollo.UUCP (Kee Hinckley) writes: (in regards to porting the X Window System to the Mac) > >There is at least one non A/UX port too as well, I think someone at MIT >was doing it. However I doubt that you will see any port that will work >over a modem. Even at 9600 baud I doubt the throughput would be terribly >good. It would seem to me that another approach would be productive from the point of view of writing portable applications: don't port the X protocol, just implement the X library in a way that only allows windows to be created on the local display, doing its window creation and painting via the Mac toolbox. With this approach, you could run things like xterm, xmille, etc., as long as you don't try to talk to a remote server or client, and you could build/prototype (X-based) window applications that run on your Mac and can be trivially ported to Suns, Vaxen, etc. Obviously, this leaves out an important aspect of X, but the result would still, I think, be valuable. Or am I missing some important issue? -- Mike Urban ...!trwrb!trwspp!spp2!urban "You're in a maze of twisty UUCP connections, all alike"
phil@apple.UUCP (Phil Ronzone) (11/05/87)
In article <4233@sdcsvax.UCSD.EDU> borton@net1.UUCP (Chris Borton) writes: >One of the praises I heard for A/UX back in March or April was that a developer >had been given a Mac II with A/UX and X-Windows the day before a show and had >it running demonstrations the day after at the affair. I don't know if >anything came of this. I seem to recall the show being in Pennsylvania, but >that could be vapor-thought. :-) >Chris "Johann" Borton, UC San Diego ...!sdcsvax!net1!borton > borton@net1.ucsd.edu Yes - that did happen. The person was Norm Meyorwitz at Brown Univ. and he put his hypertext application up under X 10.4. It was in March 87, right before Mac World. He got his Mac II with A/UX on Friday before the show, unplugged his SUN from the Ethernet, plugged in A/UX, used the SUN internet address and host name, mounted the NFS filesystems, and the application was up and running in about 4 hours. Philip K. Ronzone A/UX Technical Manager MAIL: Philip K. Ronzone Apple Computer Mail Stop 27AJ 10500 N. DeAnza Blvd. Cupertino, CA 95014 UUCP: ...!{sun,voder,nsc,mtxinu,dual,unisoft}!apple!phil
kent@decwrl.dec.com (Christopher A. Kent) (11/05/87)
Given the power of the Mac toolbox, it seems that any X implementation would benefit from using the toolbox. Given the "thinness" of most Mac connections to the outside world (at worst 1200 baud, at best AppleTalk speeds, ignoring Ethernet cards for now) it seems that sending the full X protocol to the Mac would be a loss. I think the way to implement X for non A/UX machines is the way it's been done for the so-called "X terminals". Some large host (a VAX or Sun) runs half of the X server -- the half that speaks to clients, manages fonts, etc. It speaks to the Mac with a lightweight protocol that implements the X functions via the toolbox. The server-side manages font translations, intercepts bitmaps, translates input events back and forth, provides virtual memory for keeping really large resources around. The Mac just paints bits, keeps some small bitmaps around, and handles input events. This would allow all properly written X applications to work just fine on the Mac, taking advantage of all the work that's gone into the toolbox. Comments? Cheers, chris -- Chris Kent Western Research Laboratory Digital Equipment Corporation kent@decwrl.dec.com decwrl!kent (415) 853-6639
jteh@mulga.oz (J.T. Teh) (11/06/87)
In article <870027@hpcilzb.HP.COM>, tedj@hpcilzb.HP.COM (Ted Johnson) writes: > > Does the A/UX version of X windows use a 3-button mouse (as does the > original X system, developed by MIT and DEC)? If not, how do they > get around this? > > -Ted How about : single click for 1st button double click for 2nd button triple click for 3rd button? :-) Couldn't resist it! --------------------------- J.T Teh "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." - James Elliot =========================== UUCP: {seismo,mcvax,ukc,ubc-vision}!mulga!jteh ARPA: jteh%mulga.oz@seismo.css.gov CSNET: jteh%mulga.oz@australia
phil@apple.UUCP (Phil Ronzone) (11/06/87)
In article <870027@hpcilzb.HP.COM> tedj@hpcilzb.HP.COM (Ted Johnson) writes: > >Does the A/UX version of X windows use a 3-button mouse (as does the >original X system, developed by MIT and DEC)? If not, how do they >get around this? > > -Ted We use the "extra" keys on the keyboard.