tim@brspyr1.BRS.Com (Tim Northrup) (11/07/87)
FreeTerm 2.0 which was recently posted to the MacIntosh binaries group doesn't appear to work using the MagicSac on the Atari ST. This seems strange seeing as the Data Pacific folks tout FreeTerm 1.8 as *the* terminal package to use with the Sac. Does FreeTerm 2.0 work with version 4.5x of the MagicSac driver? (I am using 4.36 -- latest from CompuServe) Any help would be appreciated. -- tim@brspyr1.BRS.Com uunet!steinmetz!brspyr1!tim ============================================ Tim "The Enchanter" Northrup
jcc@ut-ngp.UUCP (J. Chris Cooley) (11/12/87)
In article <2137@brspyr1.BRS.Com>, tim@brspyr1.BRS.Com (Tim Northrup) writes: > > FreeTerm 2.0 which was recently posted to the MacIntosh binaries group > doesn't appear to work using the MagicSac on the Atari ST. This seems > strange seeing as the Data Pacific folks tout FreeTerm 1.8 as *the* > terminal package to use with the Sac. > > Does FreeTerm 2.0 work with version 4.5x of the MagicSac driver? > (I am using 4.36 -- latest from CompuServe) Isn't MagicSac that thing that needs Apple ROMs to operate? Where'd you get your ROMs?
ravi@mcnc.UUCP (11/12/87)
>> >> Does FreeTerm 2.0 work with version 4.5x of the MagicSac driver? >> (I am using 4.36 -- latest from CompuServe) > >Isn't MagicSac that thing that needs Apple ROMs to operate? > >Where'd you get your ROMs? You typically just buy them from an apple, or electronics parts dealer. The Magic Sac is actually quite fussy about wanting to use (Apple) ROMS (ie. EPROMS don't work). -ravi
tainter@ihlpg.ATT.COM (Tainter) (11/14/87)
In article <2655@alvin.mcnc.UUCP>, ravi@mcnc.UUCP (Ravi Subrahmanyan) writes: > You typically just buy them from an apple, or electronics > parts dealer. The Magic Sac is actually quite fussy about wanting to > use (Apple) ROMS (ie. EPROMS don't work). > -ravi This isn't the problem it might appear to be. First, the ROMS are quite readily available. Second, Apple people have been helping the Magic Sac's developer to improve the product. In fact, there is talk that with the help he has been getting from Apple he might reverse himself and produce a 128K ROMs version after all (he had said previously that he had no plans to do so). Apple doesn't view , and I agree with them, the Atari + Magic Sac as competition. Their view is that it is of a good cheap form of advertising for them and helps to keep the software production for their system from being chiseled at by Atari Developers. Software houses won't bother to produce a port to the Atari native abomination system if they can just support the Magic Sac with their Macintosh version. --j.a.tainter
lsr@apple.UUCP (Larry Rosenstein) (11/17/87)
In article <4254@ihlpg.ATT.COM> tainter@ihlpg.ATT.COM (Tainter) writes: > >First, the ROMS are quite readily available. This may be true, but the 64K ROMs are no longer being produced. This means the number of ROMs is fixed, of which some have been returned to Apple already. I suppose people could be copying the ROMs; if so, they are doing this illegally, and our Legal Department would like to talk to them. >Second, Apple people have been helping the Magic Sac's developer >to improve the product. In fact, there is talk that with >the help he has been getting from Apple he might reverse himself >and produce a 128K ROMs version after all (he had said I find it difficult to believe that Apple (as a company) is helping improve the Magic Sac. I have read that Andy Hertzfeld helped (I don't know if this is true or not), but he is not an Apple employee and doesn't represent Apple at all. I don't agree with the logic that improving Magic Sac helps Apple. It encourages people to buy Atari hardware instead of Macintoshes, which is directly against Apple's interests. The number of Magic Sacs in the world is very small, so it doesn't influence software developers either. If Apple was supporting this, there would be press releases, articles, etc. so that everyone would know about it. -- Larry Rosenstein Object Specialist Apple Computer AppleLink: Rosenstein1 UUCP: {sun, voder, nsc, mtxinu, dual}!apple!lsr CSNET: lsr@Apple.com
dsmall@well.UUCP (David Small) (11/26/87)
In the referenced reply, Larry Rosenstein at Apple (lsr@apple) mentions that Apple isn't helping the developers of the Magic Sac, and so forth. Larry is absolutely correct. Gads, I wish there *was* someone at Apple I could ask questions of. There isn't. I also suspect the rumour that Andy helped us out is one of those legends that develops from nowhere. He hasn't, though I wish he had.. :-) Finally, yes, we do detect&fail with copies of Eproms, and yes, the supply of 64K ROMs is limited. (very). This is one big reason we're moving to products that don't require said ROMS anymore -- IBM PC cards and such. We can't have our livelihood dependent on ROM availability, especially these days. -- Thanks, Dave Dave Small / Engineer / Data Pacific / We Makes Le Magique Sac..