buzz@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Mahboud Zabetian) (12/09/87)
I have access to SUMEX, but I don't know how to get around while I am on it. I ftp sumex and then where do I loook for files? How do I move about in the directories? Where do I find a list of files? What I am looking for is NetTrek. Anyone know where to look? Thank you. -- Mahboud Zabetian buzz@phoenix.princeton.edu 183 Little Hall (609) 520-1270 Princeton University (609) 734-7760 Princeton, NJ 08544 buzz@issun.princeton.edu
kraut@ut-ngp.UUCP (Werner Uhrig) (12/09/87)
In article <1289@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>, buzz@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Mahboud Zabetian) writes: > I have access to SUMEX, but I don't know how to get around while I am on it. [ depending on the command-set of the FTP-program you are running, the commands you need to use may differ slightly; just learn about *YOUR* FTP ] so you FTP to SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU login as ANONYMOUS with any password (preferably your userid) change to directory <INFO-MAC> (you are talking to a godd-ol' DEC-20 with TOPS) which is the ONLY directory containing ALL the stuff (if more of you guys had complained to the maintainers in the past, maybe that would be different) ..now, DO NOT make the mistake to list the directory - that will take forever, and there is a GOOD mechanism installed that allows you to avoid that !!!! ok, here is the poop: there are several files named 00... (in particular, 00DIR.NAMES, 00DIR.RECENT, 00DIR.ANNOTATED, 00DIR.VERBOSE, ...) which describe the directory contents (simply list the directory of file-names starting with 00, with a command like "DIR 00*.*") most of these files should be up-to-date as they are recreated automatically and daily. copy these documentation files to your site with a GET command and disconnect from SUMEX to study those files locally. when you know which files you want to GET from SUMEX, and you have studied how to do a "multiple get" with your FTP-program to save time, open another FTP-connection to SUMEX, login, change dir to <INFO-MAC>, and get your files ... *PLEASE* , do not abuse the people trying to do *REAL WORK* at SUMEX by doing large file-transfers during their prime-working hours, or we may lose those archives faster than you can say *I AM SORRY!* ... SUMEX is in CA, i.e. Pacific Time .... Now, remember that there are also other sites with archives, announced or unannounced. First check with your local-sites, and, maybe try to convince your local administrator that it would be useful to keep the MOST USEFUL mac-files archived locally (like XBIN, BINHEX, MACPUT/GET, UW, MACKERMIT, etc..) so your local users do not depend on SUMEX being up... remember that SIMTEL is the place where you can find *EVERYTHING* if you know where to look (they serve the MILNET, mainly), and well organized in sub-directories for DAs, Fonts, Utilities, etc .... to boot. and I bet I could find archives at berkeley, mit, cmu, ut, .. many more, just by snooping around (sites make those FTP-directories available to be used, after all, even though they don't often announce it, because otherwise everyone would end up using their services. Everyone is afraid to let people know that they have archives and mail-gateways because then *EVERYONE* uses them. It seems unbelievable that there is no central registry of all sites with archives and mail-gateways - for all to query so the load is balanced and shared ... ah, pet pieves raise their ugly head .... sorry, to get sidetracked; anyway, I hope this helps .... PS: have you ever wondered why every site which you can reach with FTP and login ANONYMOUS does have a file named README or 00README in the login directory which explains what's available and how to make use of it?? What is that you say? Most sites DO NOT have such instructions in an obvious place?? That's hard to believe ..... ))-: -- werner@rascal.ics.utexas.edu (prefered address) kraut@ut-ngp.uucp (if you must)
cnc@hpcilzb.HP.COM (Chris Christensen) (12/11/87)
>remember that SIMTEL is the place where you can find *EVERYTHING* if you know >where to look (they serve the MILNET, mainly), and well organized in >sub-directories for DAs, Fonts, Utilities, etc .... to boot. Can you elaberate on SIMTEL? I have never heard of it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Christensen Hewlett-Packard (408) 553-2955 or telnet 553-2955 Design Technology Center cnc@dtc.hp.com Santa Clara, CA ...!hplabs!hpcid!cnc