[comp.sys.mac] LSC "Memory critical"

rmh@apple.UUCP (Rick Holzgrafe) (01/19/88)

So I just got my very own Mac II at home, huzzah!

I transferred several Lightspeed C projects from my Mac Plus
to the II, and tried to open them.  I invariably got the
bug box with the message "Memory critical - proceed at your
own risk". The project did not open, but the project file
was busy, and I'd have to reboot before I could access it
again.

Since I initially had only 1 Meg of RAM, the problem seemed
obvious. But after adding a second Meg, the results didn't
change.

In the end, what worked was to start LSC without a project,
create a new project, and load all the old project's files
and libraries by hand. The new project runs like a champ.
(Kudos for your MultiFinder support: turn-around time
is *trivial*!)

So I'm up and running, and this message isn't urgent. But
I'm curious: what went wrong? The old projects were on an
unmodified MacPlus and (non-SCSI) HD20, and were from
LSC 2.01. Uh, I forget which system/finder I was using;
something earlier than 4.2/6.0, no MultiFinder.
The new machine is a stock Mac II, 2 Meg RAM,
40 Meg internal disk, 256 color monitor, running LSC 2.15
(upgraded steadily from 2.01 via the net-published upgrade
kits). The bug manifested under both Finder and MultiFinder 6.0,
under both System 4.2 and 4.3.

My only connection with Think Technologies is as a *highly*
satisfied customer (in spite of the above). Although I am
posting from Apple's Vax, this is a private enquiry,
unconnected with my employment at Apple Computer.

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robertj@yale-zoo-suned..arpa (Rob Jellinghaus) (01/19/88)

In article <7202@apple.UUCP> rmh@apple.UUCP (Rick Holzgrafe) writes:
>So I just got my very own Mac II at home, huzzah!
>
>I transferred several Lightspeed C projects from my Mac Plus
>to the II, and tried to open them.  I invariably got the
>bug box with the message "Memory critical - proceed at your
>own risk". The project did not open, but the project file
>was busy, and I'd have to reboot before I could access it
>again.
>
>Since I initially had only 1 Meg of RAM, the problem seemed
>obvious. But after adding a second Meg, the results didn't
>change.
...
>So I'm up and running, and this message isn't urgent. But
>I'm curious: what went wrong? The old projects were on an

What probably happened is that you had a MultiFinder partition that was
too small for LSC to run well.  Some recent articles in this newsgroup
mentioned 750K as a good minimum size for healthy running under Multi-
Finder.  Since the partition size wouldn't change when you added more
memory, this was probably your problem.  (You change the partition in the
"Get Info" box, as I'm sure you're aware.)

>kits). The bug manifested under both Finder and MultiFinder 6.0,
>under both System 4.2 and 4.3.

System 4.3???!!!!  Yow!  When is *that* little puppy gonna be released??
And don't say you made a typo.  C'mon, fess up... :-)

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>Cupertino, CA 95014             | my employer, Apple Computer Inc."


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rmh@apple.UUCP (Rick Holzgrafe) (01/20/88)

In article <21573@yale-celray.yale.UUCP> robertj@yale.UUCP writes:
>In article <7202@apple.UUCP> rmh@apple.UUCP (Rick Holzgrafe) writes:
>>So I just got my very own Mac II at home, huzzah!
>>
>>I transferred several Lightspeed C projects from my Mac Plus
>>to the II, and tried to open them.  I invariably got the
>>bug box with the message "Memory critical - proceed at your
>>own risk". The project did not open, but the project file
>>was busy, and I'd have to reboot before I could access it
>>again. [These were 2.01 projects, opened by LSC 2.15 on the Mac II. - rmh]
>
>What probably happened is that you had a MultiFinder partition that was
>too small for LSC to run well.  Some recent articles in this newsgroup
>mentioned 750K as a good minimum size for healthy running under Multi-
>Finder.  Since the partition size wouldn't change when you added more
>memory, this was probably your problem.  (You change the partition in the
>"Get Info" box, as I'm sure you're aware.)

Um, nope - that wasn't it. First, I did try that; second, no changes
were made to LSC when I started successfully creating new project files.
The problem just about has to be an incompatibility between the 2.01
and the 2.15 project file formats - perhaps something as simple as a
missing SIZE resource in the old project files (although I looked for
one in the new project files and didn't find one). But back when I upgraded
from 1.02 to 2.01, LSC automagically converted the project files very neatly.

>>kits). The bug manifested under both Finder and MultiFinder 6.0,
>>under both System 4.2 and 4.3.
>
>System 4.3???!!!!  Yow!  When is *that* little puppy gonna be released??

Oh, golly, did I type 4.3?  What a silly mistake! I meant to say, obviously,
"under both System 4.2 and the watchful eye of my little puppy." :-)

>
>Rob Jellinghaus                | "And so, whenever you are in trouble,
>jellinghaus@yale.edu.UUCP      | look to the horizon!  For running
>ROBERTJ@{yalecs,yalevm}.BITNET | towards you you may see...
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Thanks for the suggestions, Rob!

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Rick Holzgrafe			 | {sun,voder,nsc,mtxinu,dual}!apple!rmh
Communications Software Engineer | AppleLink HOLZGRAFE1    rmh@apple.com
Apple Computer, Inc.		 | "All opinions expressed are mine, and
20525 Mariani Ave. MS: 27-Y	 | do not necessarily represent those of
Cupertino, CA 95014		 | my employer, Apple Computer Inc."